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He generally shows most of the signs of the misinformation accounts:

  • Wants to repeatedly tell basically the same narrative and nothing else
  • Narrative is fundamentally false
  • Not interested in any kind of conversation or in learning that what he’s posting is backwards from the values he claims to profess

I also suspect that it’s not a coincidence that this is happening just as the Elon Musks of the world are ramping up attacks on Wikipedia, specially because it is a force for truth in the world that’s less corruptible than a lot of the others, and tends to fight back legally if someone tries to interfere with the free speech or safety of its editors.

Anyway, YSK. I reported him as misinformation, but who knows if that will lead to any result.

Edit: Number of people real salty that I’m talking about this: Lots

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 minutes ago

As long as people keep in mind what Wikipedia is, there should be no issue. There's a reason teachers never allow it as a source, but it is great as an introduction to any topic, from which point you can further your own research.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Who hates Wikipedia:

  • Tech bros
  • Russia
  • Israel
  • Other generic fascists
[–] [email protected] 2 points 39 minutes ago

what of the teachers that say not to use it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

There is a Russianfork.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

Who hates Wikipedia:

Russia

Is this even true? Has any Russian state official or organization indicated they give two shits about an English-centric US-hosted online encyclopedia? Ditto Israel.

Feels like every time I read a "bad actors on the internet" story, I get someone in the comments insisting a foreign intelligence officer is secretly pulling all the strings. As though American propagandists and industrial scale media magnets aren't willing or capable of doing the job themselves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hardly unique to Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Censorship_of_Wikipedia

And hardly exhaustive, either. The "people imprisoned for editing Wikipedia" includes two high profile cases of Saudi citizens, yet there's no "Pages Banned by Saudi Arabia" when there obviously should be.

Hell, even the site's own founding members have come at Wikipedia on its own terms, with Larry Sanger reporting the Wikimedia Foundation to the FBI for distributing child pornography. For some reason, I never see "Larry Sanger" listed explicitly as an enemy of Wikipedia with the frequency I see Vladimir Putin indicted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago

Maybe because the list of things Larry Sanger has done against Wikipedia is much, much shorter than Putin?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

State actors often pose as normal editors on wikipedia, in order to try and cover for things they do. Corporations often do the same thing, via their PR firms.

Its pretty well documented on the WP logs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 24 minutes ago

I'm not super involved, but I believe it's possible to engage with Wikipedia ethically and well as a PR firm or the like. But being honest is part one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PR_Professionals_%26_Editing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago) (1 children)

A bunch of these state actors are western politicians and their staff/campaigns, though.

The Evil Slavic Menace isn't out there scrubbing pages for a bunch of state legislators, MPs, and judicial appointees. That's just the goons of the local political parties.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 minutes ago

Correct. The Evil Slavic Menace is banning it outright, instead.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

No its true actually. Vladimir (the impaler) Putin and President Xi got together and had a secret meeting all about how Wikipedia is the greatest threat to their total dictatorship of Earth, because its the only thing keeping the American citizens so free and open minded and a place where people can go to learn about forbidden topics like Tank Girl and Winnie the Pooh. Putin got mad because he read the article about Grizzly bears and it said he'd probably die if he tried to wrestle one, so he spun up his special government botnet from his elite hacker force and activated his army of Tankie sleeper agents on Lemmy to make an attack on the Freedom of Information Act (thats a special law that Biden made to try to protect wikipedia and keep free speech safe).

this is a joke about foreign influence on Lemmy, not about Wikipedia itself. I like wikipedia

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