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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Oh nice, you found 1 family that this is relevant for. Now call that family "all millennials"! Proper journalism right here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I've read the article. It goes into detail in the stats across the entire generation. It talks about the big rise in both median and average household wealth for millennials between 2019 and 2022. It also acknowledges that the gap between 20th percentile and 80th percentile for millennials has grown to the largest in history for any generation.

It's the rise in house prices and the stock market. For millennials who already owned that stuff before the pandemic, and in a position to take advantage of the huge salary gains from the great resignation, the last 5 years have been a financial boon.

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Is this the beginning of the framing of "Look how good you have it. You don't need to murder CEOs."?

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago

Trump is coming to power again, so the WSJ has to switch back to selling the idea that everything will be okay.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It was already happening. Plenty of people were insulting those complaining about the cost of living, saying things like "What do you mean? The economy is doing fine." In Canada the finance minister called it a "vibecession", implying it was all in our heads.

All these people are talking about asset prices while we talk about the cost of living.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

When we think cost of living we mostly think about rent and cost of food. The rich don’t pay rent and food is a tiny fraction of their budget, so obviously they don’t complain.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

"Look how good everyone is doing. Oh, you're not doing good? You must be lazy, pull up those boot straps!"

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago

Yeah i earn more than my parents combined for my entire childhood but guess what gobbled that shit right up.

The house i grew up in cost $20,000.

The one my husband and i bought cost $1,000,000.

Both 3 bedroom postwars in slightly dodgy neighbourhoods yaaay inflation

For the curious: $1,000AUD in 1980 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $5,125.00 today, an increase of $4,125.00 over 44 years. The Australian dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.78% per year between 1980 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 412.50%.

This means that today's prices are 5.13 times as high as average prices since 1980, according to the Bureau of Statistics consumer price index. A dollar today only buys 19.512% of what it could buy back then.

[–] [email protected] 133 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Article: https://archive.md/Gr6qG

Basically: got to buy a house early as opposed to most of us ( probably with parents' help), got lucky on the stock market (because he wasn't spending everything on rent), and works as a CFO somewhere.

Definitely not in everyone's reach here.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But maybe that could happen to YOU, so don't pay too much attention to how much you're getting screwed, because you'll totally be a CFO in just a few more years of work!

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

Hell, I might be a CFO now and I've failed to notice! Hold on, let me check... No... No, I've just managed to burn a microwave dinner again.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

and their examples are absurd;

brent royer got a 40% raise when he left one job for another, which is not a common occurence

and andy holmes basically moved back home and got a $90,000 home and flipped it to be worth $300,000 while investing in the stock market.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Yeah, because their parents are dying and leaving their kids an inheritance.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Y'all got an inheritance? All I got was a funeral bill.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago

my parents asked me for loans

:: cries in having poor parents ::

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My highschool civics teacher, who once told the class that everyone becomes more conservative with age and income, will be pinning this to the wall of the classroom.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand this. The older I get, the more angry I get at the system and want to tear it down 🤔

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

He's a boomer and his brother is a small business owner. Their only hardships have come from petty disputes with the township over signage. This same guy, without any irony, said that the only unions we still need anymore are teacher's unions. Surprised that bootlicker didn't include police unions.

Don't ever let anyone tell you public schools teach liberalism. This happened while the science teachers would tiptoe around outright saying that climate change was real.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Partner and I are millinials, household income ~200K, one child, excellent credit, no debt. Partner's standards are a tad high but I'm unusually spartan with some minor capital expenditures, so I feel we balance out.

I grew up middle class and on paper we put my parents to shame, nevertheless they built a huge house, had three kids, five cars, fed the family... while my partner and I struggle to find a home while paying for one kid.

Something doesn't add up.

That said I do wonder if it would basically be impossible to top the boomers on wealth and cost of living. Think back before WWII and how hard was it on the average joe, probably a lot harder than we want to admit. The boomers mighta hit the jackpot and millennials are stuck basically with the expectation that we should do that well while also footing the bill for all of the "progress" they have made since the 60's.

Don't get me wrong, there has been real progress but there has been a lot of "progress" in the wrong directions as well, in some cases 180°. Millennials have been paying for it our whole lives, and I don't think we are ever going to really come out ahead, we'll bust our asses to break even but honestly I'm okay with that if it sets our children up to have a better life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

That makes sense. I plugged in what I think my dad was making in 95 and it was quite a bit more than I'm making now. Explains the big house, kids, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

Translation: Please no revolution.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thankfully as we're all breaking into our 40s, we have finally reached a point our society expected of us by 25. All it took was the slow deaths of our families.

But our kids are gonna be fucked! Thanks boomer for telling us that should make us feel better like it apparently did your generation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago

Big reason I'm not having kids. Oh I'm only starting to feel relatively stable in my late 30s?! Why would I ruin that now, kids cost well over 800k, I can't afford my house and one kid, let alone 2

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 days ago (1 children)

mocked at times for being perpetually behind in building wealth

but that was you guys who did that. you know that, right? it's important to me that you know that.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

First millennials were mocked for wanting part of The American Dream; now Millennials are being mocked for a few of them having a bit of it from the "COVID+inheritance" effect.

The WSJ should be ripped asunder. It is an insult to birds to line birdcages with it.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 6 days ago (3 children)

@scrubbles Let me correct this one for them:

Millennials — long mocked for being locked out of the housing market and postponing major life decisions due to their financial position — are finally starting to inherit wealth.

Well, as long as they're middle class.

Many princes and princesses of the top 10% already had parents willing to be guarantors on mortgages, or just outright give precious a trust fund.

And working class millennials are already screwed, and will be for the rest of their lives.

But for 40-something middle-class Millennials, their 70-something Boomer parents kicking the bucket is providing an unexpected financial windfall.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know everyone thinks they are middle class, but If your parents are giving you a trust fund you are probably pretty solidly in the upper class, not middle.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago

@jrs100000 You'll note I said "princes and princesses of the top 10%". As in top 10% of households by income.

Those Millennials are set.

The middle class Millennials are now starting to inherit property.

And the working class Millennials? Screwed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My parents have been very clear, there is no inheritance. I love them but when we were young adults they bought into the idea that getting college degrees would set us up for life and they decided to coast on their early retirement instead of buying property and getting real assets to hand down.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

All Im inheriting is debt...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago

Are you American? If so, know your rights. Most debt cannot be passed down to surviving children. If the amount of debt exceeds how much their estate is worth, the lenders are not entitled to you paying them. They will try to make you pay, don't do it! Do not give them even one penny or agree to anything, or you will have then "assumed" the debt and now it is yours.

The exceptions are loans where your name is on them (joint or cosigned iirc) or medical debt in certain states with filial responsibility laws.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Ahhh they surely saved from not buying avocado on toast.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

All they did was stop their once a week Starbucks and they became executives!

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is" true" for a (tiny) subset of the Australian population. I know that I straight up sacrificed my 20s to an engineering degree and fifo job and now, at 35 I have comparable material wealth to my dad when he was my age (who was a sheet metal worker in a major city). But even still, the tiny population who did what I did will never get another run at what should've been the best 15 years of their life.

I'm unconvinced that my decision was better than the ones my (much poorer) friends who now have families made....

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As an American i know exactly what I did wrong to not make comparable money to a tradesman of my parents generation. See I should've become an engineer, but instead I became a female engineer, which apparently in my location poses wildly different employment opportunities

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago

The entire article is more than mildly infuriating. They're interviewing the well connected and winners of the economic lottery. Furthermore there's no mention at all of what that period of depressed earnings does to long term financial gains. With bias like this I don't even trust their numbers for things like adults reporting they're doing okay. Another day, another bullshit piece of economic propaganda.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 days ago

Guess I missed the memo

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Cool now show my parents equivalent you know the person who left highschool, had 3 kids by 30 didn't work till 50 and still hasa house, car retirement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

A lot of this is on paper. For example, if they're calculating potential retirement age based on stock market returns then they may be in for a rude awakening if the longest bull run of all time (minus the covid disruption) ends. But what are the odds of that, right? Surely housing prices will also rise forever too.

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