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[–] [email protected] 92 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because it's a fucking cartel.

It's literally just cartel price fixing done through the medium of "a mysterious algorithm."

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

Just like Wall St's oil pricing.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We've known this for several years now. Do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

In August, the Department of Justice filed an antitrust suit against the company, alleging its pricing algorithm allows landlords to collectively push rents higher.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 days ago (4 children)

We're going to need a legion of Luigis at this point.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

BE the change you wish to see in the world... /s 🙄

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No /s

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't think that will work out the way you imagine. They got there by being control freak assholes, so if you threaten them they'll more likely just become even more ruthlessly violent in return so they can keep control - and they've got the money to buy all the weaponry they need to do so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Nah no rights or advantage has ever been won in human history without voilence, we have the worst wealth inequality in human history.

Fuck the rich, they deserve to ve afraid until they start making concessions to the working class again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

What would happen if a bunch of people put on Luigi masks, marched somewhere, with all their cellphones just looping this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6cHi1CaSlDo

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I believe that's the cherry power up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

The insurance companies are hard at work creating more.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In August, the Department of Justice filed an antitrust suit against the company, alleging its pricing algorithm allows landlords to collectively push rents higher.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I meant more about rents than the antitrust suit. It's all well and good to hold the company accountable; meanwhile, rents have already been artificially inflated, and they don't go down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that pretty much depends on building more housing, which takes time and Congress.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I always hear this about building more housing, but I see a lot of new housing around me which sits empty because it is not affordable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The benefit of market rate housing is that it hopefully will be occupied, allowing for higher income earners to move into a more expensive unit and freeing up an older lower cost unit. In a perfect world this works like a chain and eventually lower cost older units become more available. Building “affordable” or “low income housing” isn’t really appealing to developers without financial incentives.

This does all assume speculators do not buy the newer housing and sit on it as an investment. More housing being built is generally all a good thing and it needs to outpace the population growth to have an effect on pricing. So even if there is plenty of new housing if it’s not being built quick enough prices will continue to rise.

If the units are sitting empty as speculation/investments that’s an issue for government (and especially local government, so get out and vote locally!)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The benefit of market rate housing is that it hopefully will be occupied, allowing for higher income earners to move into a more expensive unit and freeing up an older lower cost unit.

But this assumes people are moving up the ladder. In 2024 this does not appear to generally be the case, but the system remains skewed to high earners.

(Not asking a question, just thinking out loud I guess)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Definitely, it’s easy for a large investor to build new market rate housing, buddy up with a pricing algorithm, and maximize profit. Then they sit until either all the other housing comes up in price or they eventually find someone willing to stomach the price.

Speaking from my own experience it took me a long time to move into a better apartment, not because I couldn’t afford it, but because there simply wasn’t enough housing that felt like a good value. So I sat in an apartment that was great but didn’t suit all my needs, and when I finally moved that older less expensive unit became available. If there was more newer housing, or more options in general, then maybe I would have moved quicker and that older unit could have been turned over to someone that needed it more sooner.

I guess my point is that part of it is the speed at which all this can happen is dependent on how much housing there is. And I’m also not saying market rate housing is the solution either. I think affordable housing, co-ops, etc. being part of the mix creates a more fair housing market.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the detailed overview(s).

I guess a mix of housing types, though perhaps more fair, is likely unattainable. As you said, developers are out to make money, and affordable housing tends not to do that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Thanks, I’m glad I could help! Here’s a link to a video I really like by About Here on the topic if you want to learn even more https://youtu.be/sKudSeqHSJk

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It’s OK. It’s just the old past time of exploiting the poor. Rest assured, the beatings will continue.

Never heard of a game called Monopoly?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It will be required in January for all rental places to use it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

"The Previous Corrupt White House did one Good Thing by recognizing the Great Benefit to Landlords, the True American People™, this Software provides! That's why I, Donald Jesus Trump Lord God King Your Savior, will require all Real Estate Transactions to use these Wonderful Inventions!"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Right right. They're talking about it now, long after they should have taken serious action. Better late than never, but better early than late. And this problem goes back two decades FFS.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That article isn’t paywalled.

But an archive link is useful nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Having to provide an email address is a paywall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You don’t have to? I’ve never given axios my email. In fact I’ve never seen an email popup on axios, though I do have a content blocker.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it requested an email address.

Your blocker must be blocking that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

that explains it then, sorry for the misunderstanding!