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[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

There are entire Game Theory textbooks dedicated to grappling with the question of when and how one engages in violence. Because broadly speaking, violence is bad. The destructive social forces inhibit socio-economic development, degrade global quality of life, propagate disease, and cause catastrophic shortfalls of critical goods and services.

Whether you're working at the micro-scale of domestic abuse or the macro-scale of the bombing of Hiroshima, you're talking about a gross net negative for everyone involved.

But if a detente is one-sided, or a violent actor is free to act uninhibited, there are huge immediate rewards for looting and pillaging your neighbors, pressing ganging people into forced labor, and seizing neighboring property at gunpoint. It works great for perpetrators who engage in violence unchecked. Its only a problem when the perpetrator runs into a countervailing force.

But then over the long term, the violence takes an increasing toll. People don't build in neighborhoods that they think will be bombed. They don't invest in communities that are fracturing and falling apart. They don't befriend people they feel they can't trust or work alongside people they're terrified of.

Go look at Yugoslavia before and after the wars of the 1990s. Huge unified economy capable of operating on par with France or Italy, only to be splintered by violence and reduced to a near-pre-industrial state for over a decade. Who won the Yugoslav Wars? Who benefited from Bosnians and Serbians and Albanians and Croats pounding their plowshares into swords and slaughtering one another?

People talk about a "Peace Dividend" and you can see it in any country that's avoided a protracted military conflict for a generation or more. You can't be a successful country if you're always trying to hold one another at gunpoint.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

I really like your comment. Gave me lots to think about. I don't have much to say in return, other than that, and that your comment is really well written. I don't find many comments on here that are a pleasure to read; most long ones are incoherent rambling, or canned talking points.

Thanks for providing something for my brain to chew on and making it palatable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The US is a successful country and has almost always been at war.

Britain at its peak was holding 10s of countries at gunpoint.

Violence works best if you are much much stronger than the other party.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The US is a successful country and has almost always been at war.

The areas of the US that are most successful are those most insulated from social conflict. Areas that are subjected to state violence through overpolicing or are left to flounder in the face of industrial abuse, mafia violence, or unchecked domestic violence do much worse. Comparing Ferguson, MO to neighboring St. Louis illustrates this dynamic. One neighborhood is alternately brutalized by the city police and left exposed to domestic crime, dragging its socio-economic state into the gutter. The other is judiciously policed and socially supported by state and private largess, resulting in a far healthier and happier population.

Britain at its peak was holding 10s of countries at gunpoint.

And those countries suffered immensely. Meanwhile, Britain itself endured pockets of chronic crime and substance abuse specifically in areas that hosted military bases and other enclaves. The country saw an explosion in wealth inequality during its economic peak with the new wealth almost entirely accruing to the aristocracy. Victorian England was a hellhole for the Dickensian proletariat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Areas that are subjected to state violence through overpolicing

Chicken, egg

Both of those are just chicken, egg

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Chicken, egg

The police trace their roots to military officers, cattle rustlers, and plantation overseers.

The conception of police-as-civil-servant intent on discouraging violence rather than initiating it is a relatively new one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Very wise, you should reincarnate as a 2nd century Chinese warlord

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

China's a great example of the Peace Dividend in action. You get a generation or two of peace and the country explodes with riches - both physical infrastructure and flowering culture.

Then warlords start poaching the wealth of the nation and the country plunges down into poverty, famine, and epidemic, immolating decades of social process.

After the burn out, you get a peaceful renaissance, and the country flowers again like a forest after a wildfire.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

The answer is obviously codifying the position of power that violence granted you in a set of laws, hoping they won't be challenged by further violence

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (2 children)
  1. Whenever violence is involved, either both sides are violent, or violence wins.

  2. When neither side is violent, violence is not the answer.

  3. Now both sides look at #1 and ponder if the other side is ready to be violent.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think killing people through apathetic business practices that are specifically designed to maximize profit over human life is not just murder, it's genocide.

I also believe that a justice system that is curtailing law for the wealthy based on some sense of increased personal worth compared to that of a "lowly commoner" goes against the fabric of our nation and is a personal attack against the culture of our country. I also believe that anyone lending support to these traitors are themselves traitorous filth that deserves to be imprisoned in a public gallows to send a message that that behavior will no longer be tolerated.

short answer though, yes violence begets violence.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s murder for profit, don’t dilute the term genocide. The last thing we need is people calling everything genocide and making the literal genocide in Gaza seem more normal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

idk, murdering people based on their genetic predisposition to healthy living standards seems more of a literal definition of it.

I do understand (and agree with) your point though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

As many people say, the horror of the Nazis wasn't just that they killed so many people, but that they industrialized it, turned it into an inhuman factory process like they were mass-producing shoes.

In a similar way we have modern corporations that have brought neo liberal styles to the idea of murder. Instead of the industrial style of the Nazis, this style serves to alienate the murder from the murderer, putting a price tag on deaths and profiting from the lives they're destroying all veiled by the size of these companies and the corporate double-speak that places all the lives they have control over into their sterile profit-centered game they play.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

a political policy wherein violent struggle is encouraged rather than suppressed. The purpose is to create a general feeling of insecurity in the population and make people seek security in a strong government.

🤔

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Predictably, people are arguing if violence can be an answer. But the best rule of thumb is "speak softly, but carry a big stick". If peaceful demonstration and diplomacy ran its course, then violence is the only path forward. I mean, the abolition of slavery in the United States could never be done by peaceful means (unlike what UK had done) so war was the only way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My Abeka Book history book says God destined America to succeed, so I think you guys might be overreacting.

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