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"We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn't just about one individual—it's about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness," read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.

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[–] [email protected] 330 points 1 week ago (2 children)

...But it's okay for people to run many, many GoFundMe pages that support Trump's legal affairs. Got it.'

[–] [email protected] 171 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Take it up with Tim Cadogan, CEO of GoFundMe.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where's Luigis brother Mario to help him out

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 week ago (3 children)

For real.
Let's fucking set up a PAC for the guy then. Apparently anything goes with those.

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[–] [email protected] 229 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Absolutely a double standard but an easy to imagine one. I was just thinking how the right used GoFundMe for that racist prick Rittenhouse (among others).

Can we just have our class warfare already? It's ok to kill black folks not heaven forbid you actually eat the rich.

[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's most ironic to me is that gofundme is often used by those who have been denied insurance coverage to get help to pay for medical treatment. I guess at this point they're just dipping into the "please support the salt party, as slugs for salt, that's where we want our money to go."

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago

The US healthcare system being fucked is literally GoFundMe's sole business case.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Don't eat the rich, that's inefficient (and unappetizing, as the vast majority are a majority of plastic, etc.) Use them as fertilizer and feed the world. 🤌🏼 Get that polymer-eating mycelium, and we're really cookin' without a fossil-fueled doom, eh?

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[–] [email protected] 191 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm confused. Why is this not allowed? Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

[–] [email protected] 146 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

GoFundMe’s terms and conditions, however, are pretty clear. Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.”

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unless the criminal is wealthy, like Trump. Then they can have all the money.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so weird how they allow January 6th insurrectionists to have GoFundMes with no problems. Very weird indeed.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (9 children)

They didn't use GoFundMe.

They had to use GiveSendGo, which is basically GoFundMe for fascists.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But we don't want to tip him for the crime he committed; we want to tip him for supporting healthcare access!

...also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

...also if GoFundMe takes a page down, what happens to the funds already donated?

Automatic refunds. Something something 'donor protection program'... That's also in their terms.

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People who contribute to these accounts won’t lose their money—GoFundMe’s giving guarantee ensures donors a full refund in case of misuse or other problems with a fundraiser.

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Huh? Isn't he entitled to the best defence he can get?

Innocent until proven guilty, remember.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was going to make a joke about how crowd funding legal fees is only OK for ex presidents and right wings nutjobs, but I thought somebody might not understand the sarcasm and agree.

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 1 week ago (16 children)

During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we're just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people's online activities won't make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Billionaires deserve to live in fear.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Billionaires should not exist. Tax them out of existence. If they don’t exist, they won’t be vigilante targets.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (44 children)

Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.

Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don't want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

I don't expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

I actually don't expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:

Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they'll all hope this was a one-off. It won't be. Sure, there probably won't be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.

Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular

All in all, I think we're heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we'll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.

Anyway, that's my theory. Maybe I'm wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don't think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (22 children)

They either can't see what's going on, or they can't admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This guy doesn't need a GoFundMe.

He could start an Only Fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he'd be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (6 children)

One of his ideas is that people are watching too much porn and not having enough sex

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Damn, hes got me figured out

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I'd watch it if he was 1000% into the actual content and NEVER mentioned not wearing a shirt.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Did they allow Rittenhouse to use GoFundMe?

Surely, Luigi is innocent until proven guilty too.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Just checked on that because I was curious. Looks like they only allowed fundraising for Rittenhouse once he had been acquitted.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gofundme-says-rittenhouse-fundraising-ok-on-their-site-now-that-he-is-acquitted

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

When you’re only targeting poor people, they let you do it. You can kill anyone.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They let the guy who leaked Trump’s tax returns hold a gofundme, but folks didn’t really help him out as much as he needed.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn't support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn't do it justice] develops.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It's a different guy.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.

  1. How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?

  2. Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We're in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

What's crazy is that Trump and vance could read the room and drastically change the US forever by using the hate that people have for insurance companies to dismantle their influence.

But instead these crooks are going to enrich themselves and leave office (maybe) dismantling and hurting the people that voted them into office. As bad as 2016-2020 was, I think it'll pale in comparison to how bad things will get. If you aren't putting money away towards your 401k, do it now. Because rebuilding healthcare, housing, education, and other crucial regulatory functions of the government is going to take a long time. Especially if we lose any liberal USSC judges. It will be harrowing for the poor and middle class. More so if you are a person of color, lgbtq, or any ethnic minority.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

They're fucking terrified. The reaction of the public to this assassination has shocked them. They understand that they need to crush this guy and they need to crush the swell of public support or this is the end of unfettered capitalism. When the few have everything and the many have nothing the many rise up and take back everything and the cycle starts again. Every single dollar in every rich guy's bank account came from the hard work of non-rich people. There are thousands of them and hundreds of millions of us. We can just rise up and take what they have. They have to stop this before it builds and before the majority realize that we can do it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any idea how we can add to his canteen fund?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

After he is arraigned (first appearance before a judge) AND assuming bail is set in an amount he cannot pay AND that he is held in Rikers (HUGE safety concerns) you can look him up here and then send money for commissary and sometimes pay bail.

https://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/home/home.jsf

I believe you must provide personally identifying information to send money/pay. There is no guarantee that the City won’t try to find a way to seize money sent.

Edit: typo

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