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A cargo plane flew 50 miles with no pilot onboard using a semi-automated system. An aviation expert says the technology could address the pilot shortage.::The flight system allows a plane to be remote operated by a pilot on the ground, which could streamline pilot airline operations in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This will be done more and more until the first crash. Then everyone will freak out and everything will be grounded. The engineers will point out that statistically the flights done this way were safer ( 1 million miles were flown by AI in the last 3 years with only one incident. The same done by commercial pilots would have caused 3.5 incidents!)

Then other incidents will be dredged up. Some won't be actual incidents, some won't be the fault of the AI, and some will be because a human overrid AI control. However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for "drones" will be made. A decade later these loopholes will be large enough to fly a 737 through.

No one will remember why they were put in place in the first place, but one political party will be firmly against removing the laws. It will take another generation for them to finally be removed, and by that point computers will be so far integrated with humans that biological humans might be banned from flying under the law if things didn't change.

Hopefully, people will look back on this and say, lol, no, that post was edited in 2035, but good try.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Can you tell us the lotto numbers please?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made.

That part could just as well go another way:

The transportation and large sellers of packages, like Amazon, strongly lobbied the government. Now any victim of a crash with automated planes gets a standard payout from the insurance. A class action lawsuits from family members of the victims was eventually decided in favor of the corporations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've read your life is only worth $10k.

I have nothing to back that up, but if anyone finds the source of that quote, I'd be interested.

Yea, no thanks on automation. In the end I'm still dead by another human's mistake. So I'd rather have a pilot on board.

I've seen how bad aircraft automation is already. Much of it shouldn't even be in the air currently. It's already overridden pilot commands łor at least ignored inputs as outside parameters), crashing planes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

😆

I think you’re spot on

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'd read this book.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anything will be done to address “shortages” other than paying fairly

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You need training to fly, so there's a lag between you posting higher salaries and actually getting new pilots

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While you are right, the airline industry has known about this for a while and did nothing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

we knew about this in early 90s lololol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

No there really isn't. The Navy and Air Force are full of people who love flying. Even people who can fly but don't qualify to be fighter pilots. They work on planes, design them, or fly transport planes.

Usually the jobs outside the military pay better (cybersecurity, IT, etc.). Flying commercial isn't that much better because of the hours. Imagine having better hours in the military and a better retirement package after 20 years. That's why there's not enough pilots.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Cocaine delivery just got a lot easier and cheaper

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Adequate for cargo flights, not happening any time soon for passenger flights. Aviation safety is very strict and slow to change.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To address the pilot pay, in my own opinion I think that flying is reasonably paid. Most entry level jobs (in my area) range between 70-90k. This is comfortable for the most part and above all common jobs.

The main issue for me is the training costs. I would still be headed towards the aviation industry if I wasn't held back by the financial debt that I would incur.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pilots are paid bank BECAUSE the training is so expensive. If you make the training cheaper the compensation will drop with it. Of course lowering the barrier to entry is a good thing, but don't expect the compensation to remain high.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You right. But like, ironically, I can't do the training with a family to care for.

When I asked around to the other flight students on how they are paying for it, it was 45% GI Bill, 50% daddy/grandparents paying for it, and the rest were paying bit by bit or finally making enough money to afford it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also depends if you go with a school or an independent instructor. I spent a good chunk of cash getting my PPL before I decided to change careers because of how expensive every step towards my ATP would be

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I went 141 and est total cost was over 150k but that has government assistance for a portion where I didn't have to pay up front.

Part 61 is absolutely cheaper overall but you have to pay up front with no assistance.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tesla autopilot for airplanes. What could possibly go wrong.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Considering most all commercial flights are fly by wire except for taxi, takeoff, and landing… not sure

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We've been flying things without pilots onboard as far back as WW2.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Target drones, not the buzzbombs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Tiger_Moth#Gunnery_target_drone

edit: I suppose you don't have to land gunnery targets just like you don't really have to land bombs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, there is a pilot veteran with ptsd along the passengers, he could maybe do the job. And he knows one of the air hostess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

But he's got that drinking problem..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes I understand and agree that this is not the right path to take.

Automation however is inevitable. There is proven tech that’s existed for decades, the only new things being added here are taxiing, takeoff and landing (and honestly takeoff and landing are already automated, they’re just not used as much)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And we currently see issues even with current (relatively) modest automation systems that are designed to prevent pilot error.

There's way too many failures with current systems to even talk about full automation yet, in my opinion.

Let's get current automation subsystems to much lower error rates first.

I've never seen a fuel injection system on a car suddenly stop delivering fuel for no apparent reason, then startup again. The computers for such systems in cars are tremendously over-engineered.

I can't understand why we accept less for aircraft systems today. This didn't used to be the case.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't want to fly with an automated pilot. I want someone with skin in the game.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I have an uncle that quit being a pilot because being a trucker paid much better. I not stating an opinion, just a fact. Do with it what you will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fallout New Vegas is the best video game of all time. I'm not stating a fact, just an opinion. Do with it what I will.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

So, basically just a really big drone?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Not a single Terminator 2 quote. I am disappoint.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Never going to happen

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You know what else could fix the pilot shortage?

Decent wages and much lower training costs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Or, you know, just pay pilots more.

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