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NEW YORK (AP) — New York’s attorney general filed suit Wednesday against SiriusXM, accusing the satellite radio and streaming service of making it intentionally difficult for its customers to cancel their subscriptions.

Attorney General Latitia James’ office said an investigation into complaints from customers found that SiriusXM forced subscribers to wait in an automated system before often lengthy interactions with agents who were trained in ways to avoid accepting a request to cancel service.

“Having to endure a lengthy and frustrating process to cancel a subscription is a stressful burden no one looks forward to, and when companies make it hard to cancel subscriptions, it’s illegal,” the attorney general said in a statement.

The company disputed the claims, arguing that many of the lengthy interaction times cited in the lawsuit were based on a 2020 inquiry and were caused in part by the effects of the pandemic on their operations. The company said many of its plans can be canceled with a simple click of a button online.

Attorney General Letitia James' Statement

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not just hard, outright fraudulent.
A decade or so ago, my wife got a subscription with her new car. When the "free" period was set to expire, she called them up and specifically stated that she wanted to cancel. They went though the obligatory, "but we can get you this great deal". She stayed firm and insisted they cancel it. A couple days later, Sirius charged our credit card for a year's subscription. Thankfully, when I called and explained to a manager that either they could reverse the charge or I could have my lawyer call and ask them to reverse the charge, they agreed to do it. But fuck, that should not have been necessary. SiriusXM can go die in a fire.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, you shouldn't even need to call. Just have an option to manage the subscription online or in the car. Keep customers by offering a great product at a great price, not with tricks...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

My dad once thought he cancelled and realized he was still paying it for six months later.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Deliberately hard and man, once you are on their list they WILL NOT go away.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Good work NY AG

I have dealt with their bullshit too and can confirm that it is a bullshit hassle to cancel their shitty satellite radio service

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

My first attempt to cancel my SiriusXM subscription saw the agent tell me that it was "impossible" because I had "just renewed." It was true that I had recently renewed, but only because I had forgotten to cancel it in time. Since that was my mistake I was willing to just let it go and just use the service another year. But in order to stop that from happening again, I wanted to cancel early, which they didn't let me do.

My second attempt three months later saw the agent protest again, saying that I should call back when it was closer to renewal. This time I put my foot down and got them to cancel my renewal.

Or so I thought.

I finally had to call them again eight months later after I started getting emails hyping up my impending renewal. It seems that instead of outright canceling, they had instead put a note on my file to cancel at a later date - a note I'm presuming they were going to ignore.

Maybe their system really did make it impossible for front-line agents to cancel to far out from the renewal date. That would explain the agents' behaviour, and if true it makes SiriusXM look even worse

Definitely the worst experience I've ever had trying to cancel a subscription.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That's so stupid. If you cancelled right after renewing they should not only let you cancel but also let you keep the service for the time you paid for.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

SiriusXM sucks ass

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I'm in California, where it is legally required for them to provide an online cancellation if that's how you signed up.

They have a cancellation link, but if you click it, it takes you to a fake error page.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I sold my car that had a satellite enabled radio and bought a car that didn’t. I actually wanted to keep my subscription but change it to a streaming only plan. I tried at least 3 times to get that set up and each time I thought we were good it turned out that we weren’t. I eventually got fed up enough to cancel my sub outright. I get an email every day with a new deal for a streaming only plan but there’s no way I’ll go back after that experience.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

"...it’s illegal,” the attorney general said in a statement."

So why is no one in jail? If I break the law, the state must sue me to enforce?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

really? i've been using SXM for over a decade. i've never seen a company that is so desperate to keep their customers. they'll do pretty much anything you ask of them.

tired of paying the bill? then don't. they'll cut it off after a few months. then they'll call and be willing to forgive the past bill, cut you back on, and you probably won't even have to pay it for another month or two.

whenever whatever deal i'm on expires, i simply call them up and tell them i'm thinking about cancelling. they'll usually offer something like service for $5 a month, if i'll pay for 6 months at a time or something.

i've never had even a hint of trouble with them in the last decade.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

They do both.

When I bought my car in 2015 it came with the free trial but I specifically did not sign up for a subscription. When the trial ran out they started hounding me and I basically struck a deal: I'll get a year subscription but if and only if you invoice me. Mail me a bill in the mail and I will write you a check and mail it to you or make a one time payment on your site. No auto-enrollment.

The first two years they did this no problem. The third year they put up a big fuss and told me that wasn't something that was possible. I asked how it was possible for the past two years and he said I must have misunderstood. So I said okay, if that's not possible then I guess I'm done with Sirius and hung up. A few days later I got another email and called in again and asked that rep for the invoice option and she said while it's not commonly done, she'd make an exception for me.

The year after that I tried three different reps and nobody would invoice me so I cancelled and haven't signed up since. They still sent me mail and email for years, and somehow they fucked up their database and when my parents bought their car (same make, different model) now I'm getting all of their ad email from Sirius again, but they did stop (intentionally) emailing me after about two years of no contact.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah they seem desperate to have the subscriber numbers. I get really tired of the song and dance negotiations once a year but it's not hard to get months for free or worst case $5 per month. I've always felt if they would just give everyone the $5 a month deal they would have more subscribers and probably more money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I feel like this is about 10 years too late. I didn’t know they were even still around. My wife and I had a similarly tough time canceling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Fuck SiriusXM. I made a mistake of signing up for their free trial and spent countless hours to cancel the “free trial”. Had to get my credit card provider involved. Will never do business with XM again. I wish my car had an option to remove the fucking chip.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t know how people listen to satellite radio for music, the bitrate is horrible.