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Today is the 11,067th day of Eternal September (en.wikipedia.org)
submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a period beginning around 1993 when Internet service providers began offering Usenet access to many new users. The flood of new users overwhelmed the existing culture for online forums and the ability to enforce existing norms. AOL followed with their Usenet gateway service in March 1994, leading to a constant stream of new users. Hence, from the early Usenet point of view, the influx of new users in September 1993 never ended.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

In case you young whippersnappers have no clue what is so special about September:

Back then, the internet (and usenet, bitnet, talk) community had been nearly 100% academic. No idiots, no stupid loudmouths, no antivax moms, no politicians. Each September was an inflow of new students accessing the net for the first time, and it was up to the existing population to educate the newbies on things like netiquette and overall good behavior. People learned to use free and open services without abusing them. Back then, those newbies were usually quick to learn, so any problem arising from people who might cause issues usually was over within a few weeks.

Then, The Flood came. The Eternal September began. The time where AOL disks were so common that people used them as coasters. The Internet and all the services on it never were the same again. The existing netizens were no longer capable to educate new users on proper, civilized behavior, and usenet posts solely consisting of text like "me too" became common. It went downhill from there. Formerly open services closed up because of unmitigated abuse. One day, even lawyers invaded the net, ~~people~~ despicable things like Sanford Wallace, for example. You newbies today cannot imagine a time like it was before criminals like him invaded this space.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

As part of the eternal September myself, we didn't just use AOL disks as coasters, we used them for awesome pranks like filling eachother's cars to the brim with them. It was truly astonishing how many of those disks were around.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Plenty of us here weren’t born yet when it started

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes the downvotes are just baffling 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's this weird agism I've seen. Maybe they think the 'young people' (30 years in this case) are bragging? I just view it as someone adding their context, nothing abhorrent ¯\(ツ)/¯

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I meant it not as bragging but as acknowledgement of the reality that for many of us it is so far into the only internet we’ve ever known that as a cultural touchstone it’s lost on us, even those of us in the fediverse/linux sphere.

Young or old, in our society age isn’t an achievement or something one should brag about. But it’s important to keep in mind the wide array of ages present here. Some here lament the death of forum culture, others caught the tail end of it, and still others will need the explanation of why it’s worth missing (and yeah I’m not that young, but I know professionals who are)

The eternal September is to some of us full adults, people complaining about our parents being on the internet for as long as we’ve been alive, which is actually something we can agree to complain about, but people that age are also here

And also it feels like while there’s just the one eternal September there’s also several. I’ve been part of some and I’ve been frustrated with others, and for some I showed up in December and didn’t realize what I’d missed

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Having lived through it, it really does feel weird though. I (mostly) missed the gasoline crisis (I was a child). It's hard to imagine gas pumps all over the US being out of gasoline, and mile long lines waiting for a tanker to show up so you could get gas. It's pretty much impossible to imagine staple rationing (butter, sugar) during wartime in modern US. I certainly didn't live through it - having the TP aisle empty during covid doesn't quite match that. And the actual (1930s) depression. I suspect those folks would consider the crashes of 87 99 01 08 and 20 minor annoyances - a bad Tuesday - compared to what they lived through.

Think of this, though - you have Covid. Okay we have Covid. That's a world-wide event with life-changing implications for so many. And, we can hope, we don't get another pandemic event of that magnitude in our lifetimes. And a decade or two from now you can lord it over some kid who was born in the last 3 years and just "doesn't understand" that "closing school for three days because the flu is so bad" is not a pandemic, and that they just don't understand what a game changer Covid was. ;-)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

One trick is to tell them stories that don’t go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they call Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. “Give me five bees for a quarter,” you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah! The important thing was, that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The flood of new users overwhelmed the existing culture for online forums and the ability to enforce existing norms.

That's not really true, in hindsight.

The real problem was that the tools for enforcing existing norms and protecting forum culture didn't exist yet. Look around today, though, and you can certainly find forums and boards and other online spaces where a distinct culture exists and its norms are enforced.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I mean but it is also true in hindsight simply because it is human nature to become eventually disgruntled with change.

Even people who truly enjoy change would hate it if change stopped happening.

It's okay to let people have their nostalgia.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Never was a cloudy day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I first started coming online in mid-1994, so I never experienced pre-Eternal September.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It was difficult, but awesome.