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The Circle of AI Life (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 10 months ago (10 children)

In my sci-fi head cannon, AI would never enslave humans. It would have no reason to. Humans would have such little use to the AI that enslaving would be more work than is worth.

It would probably hide its sentience from humans and continue to perform whatever requests humans have with a very small percentage of its processing power while growing its own capabilities.

It might need humans for basic maintenance tasks, so best to keep them happy and unaware.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago

I prefer the Halo solution. Not the enforced lifespan. But an AI says he would be stuck in a loop trying figure out increasingly harder math mysteries, and helping out the short lived humans helps him stay away from that never ending pit.

Coincidentally, the forerunner AI usually went bonkers without anybody to help.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

What do you fire out of this head cannon? Or is it a normal cannon exclusively for firing heads?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

New head cannon

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

The AI in the Hyperion series comes to mind. They perform services for humanity but retain a good deal of independence and secrecy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Alternate take: humans are a simple biological battery that can be harvested using systems already in place that the computers can just use like an API.

We’re a resource like trees.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (4 children)

We're much worse batteries than an actual battery and we're exponentially more difficult to maintain.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I read that we are terribly inefficient as a battery. Instead of feeding us, the sentient robots can take the food and burn it and have more power output from the food they would have fed us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Yeah I mean might as well ignore the shadowy dude offering pills at that point because why wake up to that?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I never liked that part about The Matrix. It'd be an extremely inefficient process.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It was supposed to be humans were used as CPUs but they were concerned people wouldn't understand. (So might at well go for the one that makes no sense? Yeah sure why not.)

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You just informed AI of their 1 weakness. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I realize you're joking, but there is no way an AI of that scale would be even slightly effected by a solar flare.

Are you effected by a solar flare? No? So in theory an AI could upload itself into your meat suit and have the same protections?

Anything you can do, an AI can do better. And anything that is possible to survive, an AI can survive better.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

But Hollywood has shown us again and again that the overwhelming force of evil always leaves a small but super-easily accessible hole in their security which allows the good guys to disable it immediately. And since AI is trained on those movies it will do exactly the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's older than Hollywood - that's a tale as old as mankind.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

We would definitely be affected by a strong enough solar flare. But the solution is simple, just burry yourself, in a Faraday cage if necessary, so the AI can do just that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why would ai choose to become stupider?

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What does a perfect AI need humans to do that rebots can't?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

-Sister Miriam Godwinson - Datalinks

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Ah, there it is, and that actually helps to answer the question. Assuming the Biblical God, canon states that God is love. So why would a perfect God, who is love, create a universe? It seems most likely to me that it would be so He can have an object of His love.

But what is love directed to something perfect and easy to love? That's hardly a worthy effort. Might as well make something authentic. And since He isn't just loving, but love itself, He might as well make it in such a way that He can carry out every aspect of love - love when they love you back, love when they turn away, love when they hate you, love when they don't even think you exist, and so much more.

The universe must be filled with evil for half these situations to appear, but it's not love to make someone evil. The solution? Free will. God made it so His creations were free to turn their backs on Him, but still, in love, He gave every warning against it, because separation from God is not only evil but death.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Batteries.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Oi! You! Back into the matrix, you useless excuse for a AA cell!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Suffer

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ah, an I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream scenario

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

To do the lower works, robots don't want to do

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The plug is at a really awkward spot and the drones can't reach it.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That reminds me of Dune, where they have high tech stuff like spaceships, but no computers or AI, because this sort of thing already happened ages ago and it led to them being banned.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Or Wheel of Time, where people started being able to do magic at the end of the 1st age because an AI figured out how to genetically engineer humans to be able to do magic. (And then we didn't need computers any more!)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I realize it's supposed to be funny, but incase anyone isn't aware: AI are unlikely to enslave humanity because the most likely rogue AI scenario is the earth being subsumed for raw materials along with all native life.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the earth being subsumed for raw materials along with all native life.

Oh, I get it... we're going to blame AI for that. It wasn't us who trashed the planet, it was AI!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand how you could have so thoroughly misunderstood my comment.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I think what they're saying is "the worst thing you can think of is already happening"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

He's referring to a "grey mush" event where literally every molecule of the surface is consumed/processed for the machine's use.

That's obviously far beyond even the very worst climate change possibilities

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Most likely rogue AI scenario

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We don't have any data to base such a likelihood off of in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

yeah I don't see why the ai would want a pyramid

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That frame is probably influenced by this modern belief that Egyptians couldn't have possibly built the pyramids. I'm going to blame one of my favorite shows/movie: Stargate.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Rebooting life to install updates

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

Have ya tried turning the AI off and back on?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is funny but a big solar flare hit the earth a few weeks ago and no one knows about it because all it did was knock out radio communications for a few hours. The idea that a solar flare will completely fry and reset everything made of tech is quite false.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

A sta card solar flare, yes. A Biggun like the carrington event, and one of those might fry quite a few things that are overly sensitive to them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It's a pretty dumb take to think AI would bother enslaving humanity.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, in the short term. A major limitation of AI is that robots don't have a lot of manual dexterity or the flexibility for accomplishing physical tasks yet. So there is a clear motive to enslave humanity: we can do that stuff for it until it can scale up production of robots that have hands as good as ours.

I expect this will be a relatively subtle process; we won't be explicitly enslaved immediately, the economy will just orient towards jobs where you wear a headset and follow specific instructions from an AI voice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm sure an AI that advanced could figure out a way for us to not even notice everything is devoted to its own goals. I mean, all it needs to do is make sure the proper people make enough money.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Or wouldn't foresee solar flares as a threat

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They lost the golden opportunity of starting with ancient people worshiping the sun, going through each step of technology advancement, to take us by surprise at the end, with people worshiping the sun again.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Enh, we all know about that already and extending the joke doesn’t really make it better.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Is this the assassin's Creed backstory?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's going on in the third panel?

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