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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Mohammad didn't have strong opinions regarding internet privacy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Mohammad, Jesus, Buddha, and all the other gods would be concerned if they saw my porn history.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

As it should be. You haven't lived till you've seen a dude stuff live black soldier fly larvae into his pp hole!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Thank you for teaching me that I'm actually very judgemental. That's important to know.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 hours ago

No it isn't. The right to privacy is protected in Shariah law. Either something nefarious is at play here, or the religious body was misled on what VPN is.

Sources for those not familiar with Shariah law, I actually studied it and was tested on it:

https://www.al-islam.org/islam-and-rights-privacy-territory-abbass-khajeh-piri/realm-privacy-islam

and this is from a Pakistani university:

http://www.sbbu.edu.pk/actaislamica/vol%2005%20issue%2001/Right%20to%20Privacy%20A%20Comparative%20Perspective%20in%20Law%20&%20Shariah.pdf

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Something something sneaking into other people’s houses is haram therefore VPN is haram?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I'm really interested in reading the part of the Quran that forbids VPNs.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"Thou shalt not taketh sponsorships from NordVPN"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

"In this religion, we use ExpressVPN!"

Quran, probably

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

For context: this "religious body" is governmental.

In pakistan, military has gotten so powerful that they literally kidnap and torture you for being critical of them. And if you live outside pakistan they kidnap and torture your family members, demanding you to remove your posts.

And recently pakistani people have started to become more and more anti-military. So they are using VPNs to hide their identity to protect themselves.

This "religious body" is making it seem like this is to stop porn but in reality its about stopping people from being critical of military rule.

Edit: they banned twitter in february because people were organizing anti-military protests there. So the people started using VPNs and now they want to ban VPNs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

I wonder if me, and American, looking at Pakistan is like how Europeans look at America... Government and police are crazy. But the food, culture, and people are probably nice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Anything is against religious law if you try hard enough.

Actually, you don't have to try that hard 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

You challenged religious law. That's against the law.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

US Christians: "write that down!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The "protect children online" act or whatever. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

KOSA. But yeah, same level of religious fuckery. They want to impose big brother because it's easier to root out dissent.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

Won't be long now, unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 14 hours ago (17 children)

Really wish our species could evolve past this moronic, religious bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Thing is privacy is protected in Islam, this has nothing to do with religion.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Its not about religion, its politics. A few years ago the Pakistani military overthrew a very popular prime minister who publicly said that it was the military behind his removal. Then slowly and gradually there was more and more evidence behind military involvement which as a result, made the public anti-military. They have been kidnapping and torturing anyone critical of them.

But the more they oppress, the more people become anti-military. It got to the point that in february the government blocked access to twitter because of anti-military sentiment, so people started using VPNs. Now this "religious body" which is government appointed claims to block VPN because "people are watching immoral things via VPN". But in reality, it is to stop people organizing protests.

Also a governmental body can not decide what is islamic or not, thats not how islamic law works. It has to come from islamic scholars and there needs to be consus on it.

I don't think any major islamic scholar who lives inside pakistan has signed or approved this message even though they want to stop porn they know its not about stopping porn, its about making it difficult to criticize the military.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Its not about religion, its politics.

It's about religion. In a theocracy religion is politics, and law, and culture too.

Religion isn't something that empowers people to do more or live more freely. Religious dogma is nothing more than a set of arbitrary laws and norms, written and decided by man, but given the weight and authority of god(s)--the fear of eternal damnation in the afterlife being the only way that people knew to keep others in line in a world devoid of secular laws.

How did we convince women that they were lesser beings throughout human history? Why do we consider some forms of consensual adult sexuality to be morally wrong? Why do we believe that human beings are destined and entitled to live on this planet forever no matter how poorly we treat it?

The answer is religion. Religion is mass delusion, used mainly as a tool of oppression. Socrates was sentenced to death by a jury of Athenians for thought crimes against Athena, showing that religion, democracy and justice simply do not mix. Thousands of years ago (or more) gods and religious law were the inventions that ushered humanity into the post-truth world that we live in today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Call it "stories that people are taking way too seriously". I'm sure that you can think of other stories that people take way too seriously too, that have nothing to do with religion.

I think that we might be seeing the power of propaganda there. Consider that the science of propaganda is very old. Thousands of years old. There's population-control psychology there. It's got hooks.

(On the flipside, imposing a set of rules for moral behavior is a good thing. People can be animals. And if you need to cite an old story about gods and wizards to give those rules some oomph then so be it.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No, it's definitely religion. Always has been.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Do you understand that they are using religion as an excuse? If that wasn't an option, they would just use something else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

That's exactly what organized religions are designed to do in action, crowd control

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (10 children)

It serves a need. Get rid of the need and you'll get rid of the religious bullshit. But if you get rid of the religious bullshit without getting rid of the need, some other kind of bullshit will crop up.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Took em this long?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 17 hours ago

"It is not enough that Allah knows everything you do. We must also know."

"That sounds like blasphemy to me."

"Uh..."

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