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A baby red panda named Roxie at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland died from “stress caused by fireworks” after choking on her vomit, just days after her mother’s sudden death.

The incident, occurring around the U.K.’s Bonfire Night celebrations, has led to renewed calls for stricter fireworks regulations.

A petition with over a million signatures urging restrictions on public fireworks sales was submitted to the U.K. government.

Edinburgh recently implemented limited fireworks control zones, but animal welfare advocates argue for broader measures to prevent similar tragedies.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

I find it immensely infuriating that the article's byline shows they are reporting from 'London' when in fact this happened not just in a different city, Edinburgh, but in a completely different country, Scotland.

Sad about the pandas, there are far too many people that simply can't be trusted with fireworks. Limiting it to a single night in dedicated display venues run by licensed organisations wouldn't remove the noise entirely, but it would reduce the frequency and would probably help all animals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

RIP little baby. I always feel guilty when watching fireworks...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Only my daughter goes to fireworks out of all my kids. I always make sure to remind her and everyone else we are with that even though they are enjoyable they distress the fuck out of wildlife and result in many deaths. Yes, they're cool AF but think if aliens came here tomorrow. It's no different than us going WTF at people firing AKs into the sky at a wedding. Only difference is the pretty colours and the method of firing. We are such a destructive species.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Yeah if man made noise is a problem for a species maybe don’t house them in the FUCKING CITY…

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

"Veterinary experts at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland announced on Wednesday that a 3-month-old panda named Roxie died "due to stress caused by fireworks being let off across the city centre."

Go on guys teach those no good experts how to do their jobs!

I feel the need to put the /s tag seeing the comments in this topic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

A lot of people in the comment here are being pretty obtuse, I'm doubtful many are even from the UK and understand the scale of celebrations with Guy Fawks and Divali being so close together this year

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I'm not British but have been living here over a decade and I still notice how frequently fireworks go off a week leading up to any of the big nights and for a several days after. Other places I've been in Europe very much do fireworks on new years eve only, and just a small handful of teenagers might be playing with fireworks a few days early, or playing with the leftovers the next day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Not even just that. I can't speak for Edinburgh, but in the area I live in in Glasgow we've had random fireworks go off during the day for weeks leading up to Guy Fawkes. One big explosion every now and then. One day, still bright out, I was walking home and almost hit the deck because one went off so close to me out of nowhere.

After Guy Fawkes it has been less frequent, but still happens, at very odd times. You can even check news and see that it's been an issue for a while. E.g.: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j87zneq4vo

It stresses me out a bit, and I spend most of my time in my own home, with decent soundproofing. And I'm not a sensitive endangered animal.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, if your country is overrun by red panda infestations, you know exactly what to do!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Die from cuteness overload?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

We’re super cute, so you’d expect that people would want to keep us around, but our existence is still endangered. Please don’t scare us to death.

Signed:

  • A fuzzy red panda
[–] [email protected] 89 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

So the zoo loses 2 red pandas in a couple days and instead of investigating the conditions of their care, they blame it on the public being loud?

There are easy ways to protect your pets from fireworks noise so this stinks of scapegoating for their own terrible care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

instead of investigating the conditions

Yea they should have sent some vet experts to investigate. Oh wait...

"Veterinary experts at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland announced on Wednesday that a 3-month-old panda named Roxie died "due to stress caused by fireworks being let off across the city centre."

Ofcourse they could always just be there to burry evidence to further their holy crusade against fireworks!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ofcourse they could always just be there to burry evidence to ~~further their holy crusade against fireworks!~~ hide negligence.

Ftfy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

yea with a bunch of veterinary surgeons, nurses and zoology professors at their service, I am sure they were still not able to come up with a fake reason that your keen eyes were not able to spot immediately.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

Red panda infants are pretty fragile and often don’t survive in captivity. I would assume the mom passed away from complications due to birthing, but it could be anything.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Has the mother also died from early Fireworks? Since when do fireworks cause vomiting...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Since vet experts claim that they do.

"Veterinary experts at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland announced on Wednesday that a 3-month-old panda named Roxie died "due to stress caused by fireworks being let off across the city centre."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

For a second I thought this was Reddit with all the armchairing. Holy crap

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago

Armchair zoologist, that's a new one to add to the bingo board

[–] [email protected] 35 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Stress can cause vomiting, hell it can cause it in humans!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Also, why ban something when you can just have area bans?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Even just bringing it an age limit is a good start. loads of kids buy tons of these fireworks after guy Fawkes and diwali because they are cheaper so it is more like two weeks of unending fireworks rather than two nights.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I'm dubious. Mom dies suddenly, then baby dies suddenly after choking on it's own vomit. Yeah, no, let's blame the fireworks. Surely, nothing else could be the cause of Red Panda deaths at this zoo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe they should have called some vet experts to investigate. Oh wait that is exactly what they did but I am sure people on the internets know more about animals. Not a big fan of zoos but people who armchair are magnitudes worse.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't call in an outside vet to investigate. The fucking zoo keepers are vets. The zoo keepers are telling you what happened. You can believe them or not, but it's not accountability.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Check under the vet team here:

https://www.rzss.org.uk/conservation/meet-the-team

Professors, veterinary surgeons, veterinary nurses etc. Edinburgh zoo is not just your run of the mill local village zoo. So sorry buddy, I am sure you will understand if I still trust the word of these people on the matter and not you, a random person with distaste against zoos (not a big fan either to be honest). I mean this is not just any field as well, this is zoology. People usually get into it because they love animals and such. It is not completely impossible for someone in this field to lie to cover up but now it is just your personal distaste against zoos and human kind vs several very well trained people on the field... As I said, I am not a big fan of zoos either and somewhat undecided about conservatories (which is what "Edinburgh Zoo" actually is) but that does not make people working there terrible lying scum bags.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I had a whole thing earlier but was mistaken, the baby was 3 months old not a newborn. Either way, I still don't doubt that fireworks could easily stress out a very young animal and be the tipping point of their health.

I'm not sure what could motivate them to make a grand conspiracy against fireworks, rather than the more likely result of them being exhausted and frustrated caretakers who, like any pet owner, probably spent that evening trying to calm the panda down only to watch it panic until it died. Stress vomiting isn't really rare for animals on the 4th of July. It's just the extreme end of stress.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not saying that it's a conspiracy against fireworks, but possibly a problem with the habitat, food, or something else that would cause big issues for the zoo if discovered. The fireworks were convenient. I have zero evidence for this other than the fact that a lot of zoos are complete cesspools, and so I typically don't trust "suddenly died" followed three days later by another "suddenly died" regardless of how many fireworks were launched off.

Also, there is this line:

Roxie had access to her den but the frightening noises seem to have been too much for her.

Seems like the zoo just left a weak animal to suffer instead of taking precautions to assure that the panda was placed in a safe location. It makes me doubt that anyone was even there, and that the zookeepers returned the following day to a dead red panda and tried to cover it up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"I have zero evidence for this..."

Says it all really.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

Whether or not it was the direct cause in this case, fireworks cause a lot of animals a lot of stress and deaths do come from it.

I don't see why anyone needs to be able to buy explosives to use at home, firework shows should be organised in set locations and should use low noise fireworks as much as possible.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 5 hours ago

Says it was the "fireworks causing stress" that killed it not imprisoning a wild animal in a foreign environment. I am having a hard time blaming the fireworks here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago

😭

So susceptible to stres. Zoos often lack enough cover and "hide away" spots for them. Poor thing

[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

That’s sad. Why are they selling baby red pandas?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Hold my flashbang, I'm going in!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago

they can't eat all of them before the best before date

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Man, people really do love their fireworks... Noise, light and pollution, Yay!

I wonder how many of you guys complain about cars for the same reasons...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

People can get really defensive and hostile about fireworks and I've never really understood it.

I quit smoking at the beginning of this summer because it's a terrible habit that's inconsiderate to others at best(and bad for me too). So I quit. The thing is I actually liked smoking....Nicotine is something else(I used nicotine gum for anyone wondering)

So if I can accept that about smoking, why is it so hard for folks to understand that fireworks, while enjoyable, can have detrimental effects to other living creatures nearby? Some of whom might be people? It's just really strange to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Over here, it's pretty rare to have a car that causes a lot of noise.
A few days ago, there was a car crossing me that was quieter than my cycle's hub. And it was an ICE.
Only the "sports" cars and bikes tend to be loud and thanks to petroleum prices (and the vehicle's price itself) are much less in number.

But loudspeakers and fireworks, I cannot bear.

Air pollution? Mine is a smoker's country. People like me are lucky not to be handed the Darwin award.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Don't forget the fires and injuries!

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