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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Most of the time when you destroy the system you get a much worse system.

Iran got rid of the Shah and got the current freedom loving regime.

The Russians kicked out the old Communist Party and got a KGB trained billionaire in charge.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Destroying a system means there isn't anything in place and also that you weaken the power of your own side because you had to go through all the violence needed.

That's obvious but it also explains why worse system can rise, but also that it's not always a doomed endeavor. I think the context has a lot to do with what will occurs next.

The best exemple i could give is the French Revolution. It was followed by the worst Napoleonic wars. But its philosophers founded the building block for the republic that's still in place to this day.

The red revolution against tsarist has brought a lot of positive foundation from which Russian could arguably have builded upon after the war, if not for Gorbachev.

I'm not gonna go to much into any hypothetical but what Lenin created had a real and positive influence in the rest of Europe at least.

At the worst end of the spectrum Iran really had nothing left to build upon, the situation there is catastrophic on all front. So if not for the US the country isn't gonna stand on its legs any time soon.

I think the evolution of the end of a system, even through those three exemple, can go into so many different path. It's hard to really predict anything, especially without taking into account all the parameters and context.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Iran got rid of the Shah and got the current freedom loving regime.

Why, and what came before. 🤔

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

Blaming the US for the excesses of the Iranians is like excusing Charles Manson because he was abused as a child.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Also ignoring the US involvement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

Yeah that's my point

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Well go on then. Bunch of leftists protest voted or didn't vote. Y'all got what you wanted, an expedited collapse. So go on then. Your turn. Burn it down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

The system is broken and can be fixed

By destroying it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Describe the job of a sysadmin in one meme.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

systemd meme

[–] [email protected] 10 points 22 hours ago

That's why morons voted for Trump to tear down the system.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I don't really like the "as intended" take because it fails Hanlon's Razor. Even Karl Marx understood that Capitalism is doomed to a crisis and revolution cycle, not because that's what anyone wants, but because it is a law of nature.

The same is true of first-past-the-post voting.

The resolve to tear it down is still plausible though. I don't know whether it is possible to escape capitalism without a revolution. The alternative is a perfect storm of progressive legislation that seems unlikely to occur in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Nah, the electrical college is supposed to prevent some of this shit