this post was submitted on 07 Nov 2024
517 points (80.6% liked)

Comic Strips

12440 readers
4247 users here now

Comic Strips is a community for those who love comic stories.

The rules are simple:

Web of links

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
(page 2) 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 39 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.

It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.

People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.

Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her

Nobody voted for Trump because he was "more left than Hillary". That's not why anyone voted for him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

They absolutely were compelled by his opposition to international conflict and intervention - which was a huge part of Clinton's legacy as SoS.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i believe what he meant was that “trump won despite being on left of hillary” which goes against the dnc propaganda at that time that sanders was not electable because america will never vote for leftist views. add that hillary was stupid (or corrupt) enough to not give anything to her voter base while trump did. shows how out of touch dnc had become.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We gotta look Canadian when we go out of the country now.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 46 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

At her Michigan Rally two days ago she vowed to do all she can to end the war in Gaza. Granted it was way too little too late. No idea why she waited until a day before the election to say the thing everybody has been wanting her to say since the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Harris actively banished Gaza from her campaign. She did not allow Palestine at the DNC. She promised to keep sending weapons to Israel. Her position was extremely clear.

Vague lip service two days before the election means nothing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago

The writing really was on the wall, unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 hours ago

Because she saw that she was gonna lose. Or thought it would fly under the radar to not piss off more but somehow convince others that she meant it?

The Democrats seemed to have thought the election a game that could be won with clever tactics and moves the whole time instead of meeting the challenge head on. Truly a shit show of poor party management.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 12 hours ago

It's not a war, it's a genocide. The UN is able to call it a genocide. The Hague is able to call it a genocide. The fact that Harris refused to acknowledge it as a genocide meant that nothing further would actually be done.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Straight up Reddit tier cope from liberals this last week. If you wanted to win don't turn away 15 million people from your base to pander to a bunch of MAGA voters who were always picking trump regardless. Absolute fucking morons.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

"vote for a ceasefire" is the ceasefire in the room with us now? Because I'm not surprised people DIDNT vote for someone who was the fucking president but refused to pressure to end a war because it could be used as leverage in an election campaign.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Harris wasn't pro ceasfire in Gaza, please stop gaslighting people.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is why abandoning the "grocery store" strategy for "trump said naughty words" was a huge mistake.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (11 children)

I find all of this Monday morning quarterbacking pretty silly. Trump was literally fellating the mic and rambling incoherently a few days before the vote. "Strategy," hahah. Nothing Kamala's campaign coulda done was gonna get those 15 million people that chose not to vote, if simply listening to Trump didn't.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.

This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I do think that when harris said stuff like "stop price gouging" fascist media made the mistake of airing her and combatting the point - which is weak sauce on their part. More of that would probably have worked. Less ads about trump unfitness more about reducing grocery costs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Grocery costs will continue to go up, because climate change has disrupted food production and distribution (among other things.) We could make prices fall artificially, but the actual cost is higher. And anything we do to change that must be paid in more externalities. Americans don't want to have the hard conversations. We want pleasant half- truths and lies. That's what we elected.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Harris should have lied, then. There's no punishment for promising the world and failing to deliver.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (9 replies)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 hours ago

Blocked the user.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

Their platform was weak.

They ran an old man with brain damage for most of the campaign.

His replacement spent two months of campaign time telling poverty wage workers to be joyful and didn't even put a platform on their website until a few weeks before the election. Watching that felt very tone deaf and condescending.

The other meme they repeated was how weird Trump and Vance are, as if they didn't already objectively know the voters don't care about that.

They didn't run a good campaign.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 13 hours ago

2 days before election Harris announced legalized marijuana and 1 day before that she mentuoned she would be ok looking into Gaza more.

Her "first time homebuyers" aid was actually only for first generational homebuyers mainly immigrants and who had rented from a corporate owned apartment complex for 2 years.

Her business aid plan was for people who already had a business operating in specific cities and areas for "black men and others" to get loans. emphasis on "others" being her's not mine.

It was a campaign of protecting status quo first, not people. While telling them they didn't realize how good they had it.

Weak is an understatement.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Well I'm glad we dodged having an old man with brain damage in the White House... ooh wait.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 109 points 21 hours ago (14 children)

Too complicated for 90% of voters to comprehend.

They saw: Democrat president made my groceries more expensive

They heard: Democrat replacement will do things around the same as they used to be. Republican guy is going to do things VERY differently.

And the herd mentality took over past that point

[–] [email protected] 23 points 17 hours ago (13 children)

You can’t honestly think this is true. People didn’t switch—at least not any significant percentage. I think it was a 1% swing. People stayed home.

The democrats don’t own the votes of people. They swung for the neocons. Leaving the people who’d been arrested for sitting in their schools for not liking a fuckin genocide to sacrifice their values. Again. It’s always on those of us that want better to sacrifice our values to keep the wolves from the door. While the Democratic Party opens the back door for them when they hold the keys anyway.

They are doing the same thing over and over, shutting out even a middle of the road progressive like sanders. And then they expect to hold onto voters who want real change? They can’t promise more and more of the same and then expect people to get excited. This is 100% on them.

load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments
view more: ‹ prev next ›