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Vote for the change you want to see.

The Republican party got remade because trumpists showed up and outvoted the party elites. No reason it can't happen for the Left except for laziness and apathy.

If all the progressives furious about the state of affairs now had shown up for Sanders in 2016, I doubt we'd be in this hellish timeline. Sadly, he needed the young progressive vote to show up.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Promote NPVIC and RCV in your state.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Electoral politics won't work in favour of leftist goals. The system is rigged from the start.

Best you can do is vote for a lesser evil.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I don't think anyone is mad about this idea

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I kinda wish I could, but I can't vote in primaries unless I'm registered with the party and the way the ~~nazis~~ MAGAs have been acting I don't exactly want to put myself on a registered enemies list... I've been registered independent since 2016 :(

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with the comic, just a kinda funny election year to post it.

Biden ran virtually unopposed in the primaries this year, despite his low approval numbers. And while you'd have to go back to the 19th century to find an incumbent denied the nomination, there have been serious challengers like Ted Kennedy to Jimmy Carter in more recent history. Seems the problem is also with lack of serious challengers, as well as lack of participation in the process from those looking for more significant change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My state has one of the very last primaries, after the outcome is already decided. I did vote for Bernie in 2016 and 2020, but it meant nothing because he had already dropped out of the race by then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fair. The state by state process seems so weird to me. (So, we should vote more folks into the DNC and change it! There's a theme here somewhere...)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Expecting to change the system from within is laughably naive. We still can't pass legislation to replace the electoral college, 24 years after Al Gore got cheated.

Shouting down people who try to talk about real problems with "Well then I guess you should've voted!" is obnoxiously unhelpful. Bitch, I fucking did vote, and the problem is still here, so what now?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"I voted and things are STILL bad? I was promised everything would change if I voted!"

See how silly that sounds?

Trump radically remade the GOP because his people showed up and voted. Sanders could've if we had voted.

If you can't even get enough people on the Left to show up and vote for a progressive, how on Earth do you expect to enact more radical change?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So are you admitting that voting alone isn't enough? That you can't just promise everything will be solved by voting?

Because then I'm asking you to stop shouting down the voices of those us feeling disenfranchised by a rigged system.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What? How is that your take away from the comment above? Did you mean to respond to something else?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"I voted and things are STILL bad? I was promised everything would change if I voted!"

I'm responding to this. I know you can't just promise that everything will change through voting alone. So why is this whole thread just you shouting down those of us who feel rightfully disenfranchised about it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Holy goddamn, really?

Yes, one vote doesn't change anything, especially not in a country of 300 million.

But getting a lot of people to vote does change things.

If you're actually so childish as to believe "well, I voted so everything should be fixed", holy damn, adulthood is going to be difficult.

Not getting your way even though you cast a vote is normal. Not getting our way when progressives outvote the moderates, well, that'd be a different story but so far it hasn't happened because we don't show up in sufficient numbers to win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What was the purpose of this thread? To shout at anyone who complains about anything ever with "well why didn't you vote?", as if none of us did?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Frankly, I've seen a lot of stupid "the Dems are evil too" nonsense here, I've seen a lot of complaints about the parties being the same and other nonsense.

The point of this meme and thread is to remind people that the choice between Harris and trump is entirely because the progressive wing doesn't show up to vote in the primaries while the moderates do. Some do vote but not enough. And frankly, if you break it down by demographic, it's the youth/young middle age that don't show up and get crushed by the elderly who vote.

BUT amidst all the complaints, I never see anyone say "damn, if only more of us had voted in the primaries." And if we had, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

entirely

Far from it. There are a lot more factors at play that prop our two party system up, and allow the people in power in those parties to put their thumb on the scale in order to favor their candidates.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You know the GOP elites weren't really outvoted. A lot of them are comfortably still in office. A bunch of others just retired and handed them the keys. The biggest gift Trump gave the GOP is his ability to be a lightning rod of controversy and dominate the news cycle.

He is the best cover and distraction from their dogshit policies they could ever have dreamed of.

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