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Where did she get that number? Where's the source?
Majorities of both men (61%) and women (64%) express support for legal abortion.
38% of men are against abortion, and 33% of women are against.
The numbers are pretty similar.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/
Thanks, the story she was telling was counter-intuitive and without source. Hence, doubt!
Those are different numbers, percentage of men who are against abortion and percentage of people against abortion who are men are not the same.
Doesn't matter. If you take those numbers, let's say 4 out of 10 men are against abortion, so you put them in a pile.
Then you take 3 out of 10 women against abortion and you put them in the same pile.
So now you have a pile with 4 men and 3 women who are against abortion. Which would mean 4/7 people who are against abortion are men. Which is 57%. Not 79% at all.
Either way. What's the source. Should always source your statistics.
82% of statistics are made up on the spot. Everyone knows that.
Your point is probably still generally correct because the percentage of men and women in the population is close to 50% each but in general the argument doesn't work unless you have equal numbers of both in the population.
Ok, my first thought was "no way" but different areas of the country are different, so I was open to digging in. Looks like my gut was right, it's just more "alternative facts."
68% of people believe in made-up numbers. 71% even, if the numbers sound random enough.
Before Roe v. Wade were overturned I was critical about abortion, then we started hearing about all the trouble women go through and it shows how essential abortion is for reducing birth complications, even if it sounds illogical.
My main issue were when abortion was used as contraceptive, because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed, but then I learn that in those states sex-ed is very limited and contraceptives can be hard to get hold of. And without sex-ed and contraceptives abortion is the only option left.
In light of all that I now know why we need abortion and feel like a fool for opposing it.
because at the time of abortion the body is increasing hormone production and then it's tough on the woman emotionally when the fetus is removed
I applaud you changing your mind in face of new information, I just kind of want to nitpick that being forced to carry a pregnancy that you don't want to term is also going to be extremely physically and emotionally tough.
As a relative to a parent, who’s grandparents didn’t even want them but had to give birth to my parents, due to society stigma at the time, it honestly genuinely not worth it, esp with the amount of trauma my parent (dad) had to endure, due to not being loved and cared for, which has lead to further trauma extended to me too, due to unresolved pain. Abortion is a necessity. It saves lives alongside, helping people not suffer from further trauma and pain for the future for themselves and kids as well.
I’m curious, is there ANY evidence of ‘abortion as contraceptive’ happening?
I suspect it is one of those things that conservatives imagine being all over the place because in their communities where they would be shamed for becoming pregnant while unmarried and where contraceptives are hard to get that is how they imagine they would handle it.
Well, sort of. In that in states that teach abstinence-only sexual education, there is a higher rate of teen pregnancy. I’m guessing you could extrapolate from that and find that teen abortion rates are higher, but I don’t have that data.
As I like to say to “pro-life” people: “Want to reduce abortion? Make contraception free and teach comprehensive sexual education.”
That's the thing though. They aren't pro life. They are anti sex that they don't approve of.
Pregnancy is punishment for you having sex outside of marriage.
Which....tells you exactly what they think of women.
I also applause your willingness to change your mind based on new facts learned and please don't take this as an attack because it isn't, it's just a curiosity of mine. Did body autonomy not factor into your previous stance? I'm sure we both agree woman are perfectly capable of making their own decisions with their own body, why does anyone need to be involved in what they choose to do.
Tangentially related but I saw a state in the US basically made it so rapists could choose the mother of their children by both having abortion be illegal and making it so rapists could share parental rights with their victim. Essentially forcing the mother to be involved with their abuser. Shits crazy yo.
Regarding bodily autonomy, my previous stance were something like this: Abortion is a major decision and women should be counselled to make sure they know what they go into, and maybe try and convince them to keep it.
And that stance is probably fine if we lived in a perfect world where a few women got pregnant by accident, and it were the only reason for abortion.
But live in a world with: rapists, incest, teen pregnancy, ectopic pregnancy, failing contraceptics, and many other reasons for abortion.
So I can only agree that the only way forward is full bodily autonomy.
That's a fair enough stance even if I don't fully agree with it. I definitely agree with the counseling so people can make the decision that's best for them but I don't believe anyone should try and convince them one way or the other.
Thanks for giving me some of your time bud. Hope you have a good rest of your week.
This is erasure of the like, 1 maybe 2, trans men that are anti-abortion
I wish it was that few, but sadly trans people can have some really atrocious politics too. I doubt they're a significant factor on this particular scenario, though.
trans men that are anti-abortion
Well, allow me to be inclusive and say that both cis- and trans men who oppose aborion deserve a very equal kick to the face.
Yeah I kind of thought the statement was somehow obliquely anti-trans, but I didn't want to open that can of arsenic.
Plenty of men support abortion - it removes financial responsibility from them, after all. Protests at abortion clinics are often held by women as much as men.
The more important demographic here is that most opposed to abortion are strongly religious.
Look outside the US and you'll see that countries that do support choice are less influenced by the Church. It's not coincidence.
And many of the men who oppose abortions, are massive fucking hypocrits who will gladly have their mistress get an abortion somewhere else.
No they don't. They only tell half the story.
The fact that the remaining 21% regularly go to abortion clinics anyway and tell the doctors that they will go to hell for giving them an abortion even as they demand one tells the other half.
Doesn't really matter because the supermajority of Americans think abortion should be legal anyway. It's a small minority of the population that we have allowed to dictate domestic policy for their religious agenda.
It's not even religious. Their religion says all kinds of really important shit that they completely ignore. They just pick this one specific issue because they hate women and it's a lot easier to say "Uhhhh it's because of my religion, you're discriminating against me!" than it is to say "I hate women and want them to suffer".
Oh come now. They don't hate women, they just want to punish women for having sex outside of marriage because it's against...their... religion...
...hm.
And of the women, probably 1/3rd of them are post-menopausal and won't have any more kids either
Reminds me of how some at the GOP was making a joke that it makes no sense for women over 50 to even care about abortion rights cause it doesn't apply to them anymore.
Yet he saw no problem with him, as a man who can never carry a child, having an opinion on abortions.
If men could get pregnant, there would be drive-through abortion clinics every 5 miles
But statistically 50% of the aborted fetuses will be male! Checkmate!
The 79% statistic does not seem true,, at least if we're assuming the American context. The sentiments around legal abortion are more similar than that between men and women, with 38% of men opposed and 33% of women opposed to legal abortion in most cases.
And those 79% should never get an abortion if they do become pregnant and leave everyone else the fuck alone.
Our, maybe try a slightly less sexist approach and look at the religion these people follow. In my experience, abortion has never been a man/woman issue, it's a religious one
