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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Might be a dumb question but why don't we just continue using Win10 post end of it's support? Are security updates that necessary that the system wouldn't work at all? As a kid I have used old Win versions like XP and 7 for a very long time, never had an issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 41 minutes ago

System will work, but it will gradually get less and less secure, which can get quite bad.

There is an insane amount of ways to break Windows XP and even Windows 7, it's basically script kiddie's level of knowledge.

And there are real exploits out in the wild that target such systems specifically - while the pool of potential victims is smaller, they're very easy to target unless they are competently firewalled.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I reckon we'll get another year out of it, and I also think within a year, there will be plenty of workarounds to make W11 usable for moderately tech savvy people like us

The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy

If we had nothing to complain about, we'd still be using Windows. It's why we aren't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

I actually liked some of the features that came with win11 but it was so bloated that it wouldn't run that well on my old laptop.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"learn Linux"

there is nothing to learn, KDE and GNOME are easy to use GUIs and there are distros that require no configuration

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

works with browser

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

don't use evil proprietary software that doesn't respect your freedom or privacy, otherwise screen sharing is easy to do on many desktop environments.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 minutes ago

Sentiment is fine, but it's still removing a choice (however misguided, in some people's views, that is) from the user

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Meanwhile, I deleted my Windows partition (even though I paid for it, damn OEM tricks) and feel better for it https://lemmy.world/comment/12818969

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah I loved "It's Like That"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

I'd love to, but I am too dependent on my VST Plug-in library on Reaper. Running them through Wine/Carla doesn't cut it.

I played with the idea of getting a Mac for music production, and installing a Linux distro on my desktop for gaming and video editing. But I couldn't really justify dropping 1000-2000€ on a laptop with inferior performance to my desktop.
Looked into used specimen, but getting a 3-year old model only gets you a couple more years of software support.

So Windows 11 with a local account and many policy modifications it is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

Be wary of sunk cost fallacy. Sometimes you gotta bite the bullet & allow yourself to see it as some wasted money with the opportunity to start over with something with less lock-in or the boost in creativity of now having to work with new constraints.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Have you considered running the software you need from a virtual machine inside your Linux distro?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?

I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

i doubt any of the dinosaurs in congress even know what an operating system is

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Meanwhile the US govt:

says nothing because it has its mouth full of corporate cock

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago

Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.

Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

They only switched from XP what, less than 10 years ago?

I think the hospital my mother works at was using XP for all of their computers until like 2018-2019

[–] [email protected] 29 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and made the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Which ironically also requires you do buy a new device

[–] [email protected] 14 points 23 hours ago

The irony isn’t lost on me!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

You're already closer to using Linux by doing so. Lots of people are unaware that macOS continues to be Certified UNIX. Many of the command line tools function very similarly to their Linux counterparts.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 23 hours ago

This is actually why I use macOS at work - I wasn’t able to get a Linux box approved by IT but they happily support macOS and I get to use basically all the same software I do on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

After switching to Mac OS I have 0 interest in using Linux on my actual conputer. I still have windows machine for work, and my servers are all Linux. But any machine I want to use is gonna run Mac.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

I'm waiting for Microsoft to inevitably be forced to keep supporting 10 for free[^1] longer than they planned, because 11 uptake just isn't fast enough.

What happened with 7 will happen with 10, and they'll end up supporting it for another year or two.

Microsoft is trying damn hard to not care about consumers, but the consumer market still matters, so I suspect angry customers will force their hand.

[^1]: They already plan on charging money to keep supporting 10 past it's end-of-life date, but I suspect this will have a lot of angry pushback that will result in at least a year or two of free updates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

"Learn" linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

I wish this was true, but that's not the reality. If things are not exactly the same, people lose any common sense they may have had.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Eh, I'd say the biggest learning curve is updates and how they're generally password protected.

It's actually not straightforward to a new Linux user how to bypass entering your password every time there are updates, and with how often Linux updates, this can create headaches and confusion for new users.

Especially with coming from Windows and being used to Microsoft arbitrarily forcing updates in the background. They are confused because Microsoft gave them zero control, while Linux actually gives them full control, and that can be confusing when you're used to updates being forced on you in the background.

Linux expects you to be an adult and handle this shit, and does a lot less hand-holding for the casual user, and this can be overwhelming for some new users, because it's a lot of extra personal responsibility they formerly didn't have to think about. Some people just don't have the extra mental energy to dedicate to it all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

KDE Discover does my updates without passwords just fine

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Completely bullshit, garbage clickbait title.

Windows 10 is near EoL, however that's for Home/Pro/Enterprise versions, you can move to one of those for more time:

  • Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC - 2027
  • Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC - 2032

To be fair I don't really believe that Microsoft will kill it when they say they will. And even if they do it, porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.

Now on Windows 11:

You can just disable copilot and all the other garbage using group policy, now that hard and you'll end up with essentially Windows 10. https://www.xda-developers.com/how-disable-microsoft-copilot/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Doesn't group policy tweaks gets reverted on update or something like that? I heard about this group policy workaround and also heard something that said it wasn't that great of a solution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No, that’s a myth. Registry edits may revert in some cases yes, but group policy is different as it designed exactly to configure machines in a stable way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Glad to hear that. After trying to linux and not having a great experience, I am forced to comeback to Windows. Will try these out next time.

On that note, do we have some good Windows forks/builds which remove the bloat for us? I heard about lot of them, not sure which one is actually worth trying.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

porting security updates from those LTSC versions into the regular ones might be doable.

The way will likely be to just adjust some registry keys to force Windows Update to pull from the LTSC update channel. That's been the solution for ages, no "porting" needed.

Group Policy

I've lost count of how many of these articles have been posted on Lemmy screaming that the sky was falling over something you can switch off with three clicks and a scroll (Start, Settings, Personalization, scroll to the bottom and click the final switch). Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.

Like you, I regularly direct people to group policy (and even how to safely activate Windows with a fake Pro license so they can get Group Policy). Fighting an uphill battle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

As a former Windows user: this is true, you can disable most of the features you don't like. I was doing that for many Windows versions, from 98 to 10.

However it was indeed fighting an uphill battle: there was more and more BS with every update, I felt that I couldn't trust my computer, I had to check forums in order to know what's the newest thing to turn off.

I am happier now without Windows, even though I had to learn a few new apps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Group policy may be beyond the general skill level, which makes the constant Linux suggestions even more laughable.

Ahaha yeah, I've said that SO MANY times. People have issues setting a few toggles on a point-and-click UI but then it is okay to suddenly move to a entirely different OS that most likely won't have the software they're used to and requires terminal skills to deal with most things. Laughable indeed.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux

For me it's one year to keep Windows Mixed Reality working. I'm still miffed that they pulled the plug with no alternative other than putting my headset in the bin and get a new one...

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