We have literal Nazis in america, but yeah, let's send all the troops over to the Middle East
this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
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First off, as with every time domestic terrorism is discussed, US armed forces cannot carry out hostilities on domestic soil.
Second off, it's 100 personnel. Barely a blip on the total number of deployable personnel, and it's an air defense group without offensive capabilities.
Clickbait is clickbait.
If the Taliban deployed 100 personnel to the US, would that be an aggressive act?
Let's not forget the US is widely seen as a terrorist state assisting in a genocide here lol
Massive non sequitur there. Taliban does not have military bases on US soil to fortify with 100 personnel.
I'm not disagreeing that the US is assisting in genocide. Has been for a while, and the top two projected candidates for US presidency will further perpetuate this.
But this 100 troop movement is insignificant and is being played up for drama and clicks.
It's putting 100 US military personal in place to operate a legitimate military target that will be one of the first things targeted.
We didn't give this to Ukraine, despite them begging for it, because of the implications of US military personal potentially being killed by Russia.
Seriously, to the people acting like the obvious next step to ww3 is no big deal, what happened to your critical thinking skills? Do they go out the window, along with any anti war sentiment, when a Democratic president is in office?
I don't want a single soldier of my country to die for another country that is occupying somebody else
What's the difference with your own country occupying?
The US has troops on the ground aiding a genocidal regime. There is no loophole here, the US are scumbags.
I disagree. If we sent 100 personnel with an air defense group to Ukraine, shit would get pretty real pretty fast. Sending people is a whole different commitment to sending weapons.
I had an old instructor who liked to say "when it comes to breakfast, what's the difference between the chicken and the pig? The chicken made a contribution, the pig made a commitment."
Sending our own troops stops being a contribution and starts being a commitment.
I don't think it would get that real. I think Russia would get big mad, and its few allies would condemn it, but they can barely wage war against Ukraine. There's no way they could take on the US too.
They could use nukes, but I don't think they're desperate enough to start a nuclear war. That would be suicide.
The US sent ships to the region immediately after oct '23. So I'd say the' commitment' to put military personnel directly in harms' way was already there
I agree that we shouldn't be sending troops to Israel right now but 100 troops is hardly "all the troops" and isn't a large change in the number of troops in the region.
Again, I don't think we should be sending troops or weapons to Israel right now, but this does seem like a proportional response to Iran's attack. They launched missiles at Israel. The US sent an anti-missile battery and 100 troops to support it. It seems like kind of a token force to say "we're supporting Israel in this, but we're also not going to go crazy".
It is not proportional.
The Iranians ballistic missile launch was in retaliation for Israel assassinating a visiting diplomat in their capital and for Israel's terror attack against Lebanon.
Get out of here with this obvious propaganda that completely ignores the rogue nation of Israel's attempt to start a regional war to save the political career of someone trying their best to get trump elected.
Jesus fucking christ... Why does everything that anyone disagrees with "propaganda"? Why can't it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can't discuss something without it being "obvious propaganda" or some other bullshit?
Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don't agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide. The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn't seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.
Jesus fucking christ… Why does everything that anyone disagrees with “propaganda”? Why can’t it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can’t discuss something without it being “obvious propaganda” or some other bullshit?
Time is linear.
Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda.
You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you.
Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don’t agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide.
Again, time is linear. That is absolutely black and white.
The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.
There is a big difference between being in that theater and putting american troops that you know will be a priority target that will be killed if Iran defends itself against another Israeli attack.
I repeat, there is a reason this wasn't given to Ukraine.
There is nothing bad faith in my arguments. I am sincere in saying that I disagree with sending troops over there and in saying that I don't see it as a massive escalation to send 100 troops when we already have 50,000 in theater.
You are arguing in bad faith by ignoring what I am saying and simply labeling any disagreement as "obvious propaganda". Nothing here is black and white. This conflict has been going on for generations. Any immediate response has generations of previous actions behind it. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
Nothing in this conflict is simple. Nothing is clear. Nothing is black and white. Maybe labeling me as a propagandist for disagreeing on one specific thing while agreeing with your broader stance shows who the real propagandist is.
100 infantry on the frontline is a lot riskier than support personal on an aircraft carrier nearby.
In a ballistic missle exchange, air defense is the front line.There is literally a term for it: SEAD
Any THAAD system will be a target when Iran responds to whatever lunacy Bibi concocts. And, as THAAD systems have to be operated by American military personal, that will mean that American military personal will die by a legitimate military action by Iran.
Seriously, I don't know how this isn't clear.
You apparently don't understand the meaning of the phase 'bad faith'. Not that it would matter, as I'm literally responding to your points. You just don't like them, so you ignore them.
The country of Israel is younger than my still living father. To imply otherwise is to ignore all recent history, and the terrorism that was allowed to create the modern state of Israel. A nation, I might add, that has little to do with the indigenous populations. This bullshit of generations is either bad faith attempts at propaganda, or ignorance bordering on criminal. My father is older than this country.
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This is the literal reason I called your statements propaganda. I'm quoting them here since you seemed to miss it the first time, and ignored the point.
Time is linear. Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda. You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you
It's definitely not token. The US is filling a very real hole in Israeli missile defense that they're neglected over the years.
That who neglected?
EDIT: also, why are you saying there is a hole when just a little while ago you were saying Iran was incapable of damaging Israeli targets with ballistic missiles?
That who neglected?
Israel, but that's neither here nor there. This is still more than a token gesture.
EDIT: also, why are you saying there is a hole when just a little while ago you were saying Iran was incapable of damaging Israeli targets with ballistic missiles?
Because in that little while I learned that Iran, indeed, has the ability to damage Israeli targets with ballistic missiles. My bad.
Gotta love that I go to work everyday so my government can take my money to fund a foreign genocide while my neighbors starve, struggle, and die. Fuck Israel and fuck my government.
I guess when these new troops going there are fired upon, US will have the “justifiable right” to attack Iran.
Watch Israeli troops literally post up behind them, using them as human shields, to achieve this result.
This was my gut feel. Like the "Trip Wire" forces NATO members deploy along the Russian border States.
Fuuuuuu.........