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[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They attempted to censor him, by removing part of his speech from the teleprompter. He got his phone out and read it from there instead.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow that's so insanely stupid of Apple. Think he wouldnt notice?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Their claim is that they were using an older draft.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Actually it's the opposite. They're claiming he hadn't received/approved the newest draft, which is an insane justification when you think about it, like 'we didn't realize that he hadn't approved the changes the we independently made to his speech'

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Was it an iPhone?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple has now gotten caught for doing this to Jon Stewart and now Robert De Niro in a month’s time. Not great.

Kind of a bummer, AppleTV+ actually has really good content now, and this makes me not want to support it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Almost makes someone want to setup a Jellyfin/Plex server with radarr, sonarr and a VPN like AirVPN, then sail the high seas and grab all the easily acquired AppleTV content floating around out there to watch without financially supporting the company, but that'd be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This implies there's any appletv content worth pirating. Not sure I'd agree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm no fan of Apple, but a lot of their new shows are pretty decent like Silo, Invasion, Slow Horses, Ted Lasso, For All Mankind, Severance, Foundation, etc. I suppose it's all subjective but I think they're worth the HDD space.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Variety reports that De Niro’s accusations regarding censorship have been denied by “a source close to the film,” who instead claims the incident was a miscommunication. The insider alleges that multiple versions of the speech had been created, and that both Apple and the filmmakers were unaware that De Niro had not approved the final draft. We have reached out to Apple and the Gotham Film & Media Institute to clarify the situation.

I can't rule out a dumb employee trying to make a unilateral change to a speech almost nobody would have known about otherwise, but a miscommunication over multiple drafts certainly strikes me as highly plausible, and I can also understand why the filmmakers would have been encouraging a draft that was more focused on the film than tangential contemporary political issues.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I wouldn't say that contemporary political issues are tangential to the movie. The same thinking and greed behind those murders still drives American capitalism.

I can see Apple and the filmmakers wanting people to not draw comparisons.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Regardless of whose idea it was to cut the speech, the fact remains that someone made a censored draft, the organizers received it along with the full speech, and the censored version ended on the prompter without De Niro's consent. Perhaps Apple wasn't responsible, but then who?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or a former version of his speech didnt have any politics in it because it was a draft, and he passed it to someone for review on what he had already written.

Then that copy somehow got mistaken for a, if not the, final draft.

I do that when writing. I ask for review on what I have written down, even knowing that I have more to add but just dont know how to start putting to words yet.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the filmmakers would have been encouraging

Yet this kind of encouragement seemed a tiny bit... unwelcome maybe? 🤣

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shame on Apple and the production company. Deniro is a badass for overriding and calling them out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

yeah, I do not agree with a lot of the guy's opinions, but I respect that instead of playing ball with Apple he took his phone and read his own speech.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I don't want to give credit to Apple, but let's not forget that De Niro is anti vax, among others bullshit he have spewed over the years

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

I honestly don't care what the guy had to say. Removing parts from his speech without telling him is plain awful.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait... He is? I don't follow news about celebrities as often and only watch movies and shows, maybe some interviews.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah... honestly don't blame them for cutting an unhinged rant out of their awards show speeches. But if they did it without informing him, or explicitly approved it to get him to commit, and bait and switched, then yeah, they're in the wrong.

It did make it far more entertaining, though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is just whataboutism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

actually it's ad hominem,

Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corpo bootlickers have entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are you smoking? Just about all of us here are shitting on Apple for doing this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I see few comments shitting on de Niro for being an anti vaxxer as if it holds a weight in this argument.. read some of those comments too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Apple Inc has their own awards show?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

U censoring me?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

ooh a teleprompter streisand effect, nice move from the organizers

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

alleges that multiple versions of the speech had been created, and that both Apple and the filmmakers were unaware that De Niro had not approved the final draft.

What a lame excuse LOL that's just another description for censorship by some clueless interns. And I'm sure they are going to come up with new, multiple versions of lame excuses during the next days.

They should rather take responsibility for their malpractice! Lo and behold: the actor himself has no problem with taking responsibility for his own speech.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fuck apple but I am skeptical of an 80 year old antivaxxer.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Bwamp, I missed that he was an anti-vaxxer. :(

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is it with atrocities towards native Americans and Hollywood award speeches?

https://youtu.be/2QUacU0I4yU?si=nG90ik26GU-8KVUv

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Robert De Niro slammed Apple and the Gotham Film & Media Institute this week after claiming his speech for the Gotham Awards had been censored — allegedly by an Apple employee just minutes before the show started, according to Variety’s sources — to remove criticisms about Donald Trump and the entertainment industry.

The actor appeared onstage at the ceremony on Monday night for the presentation of the Gotham Historical Icon and Creator Tribute to Martin Scorsese’s Killers Of The Flower Moon, a film distributed by Apple that focuses on a series of murders targeting the Osage people in Oklahoma during the 1920s after oil was discovered on tribal land.

According to Variety’s sources, an edited version of the speech was uploaded to the teleprompter just minutes before the Gotham Awards kicked off, by a woman who identified herself as an Apple employee, in response to “feedback from the filmmaking team that wanted the actor’s remarks to be centered on the movie.” Variety also reports that the teleprompter company was emailed a revised speech script by two Apple employees that evening, and that De Niro was not aware of the changes.

Variety reports that De Niro’s accusations regarding censorship have been denied by “a source close to the film,” who instead claims the incident was a miscommunication.

The insider alleges that multiple versions of the speech had been created, and that both Apple and the filmmakers were unaware that De Niro had not approved the final draft.

De Niro’s accusations of censorship come just weeks after reports that Jon Stewart’s show on Apple TV Plus, The Problem With Jon Stewart, was ended due to “creative differences” related to topics on China and artificial intelligence.


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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And now that I've seen this article, I've watched a clip for a broadcast I normally wouldn't give a rat's bottom about. Thanks Apple!

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