I think there are logical explanations for this as commented by others. I’m genuinely curious who’s actually transferring data from the phone port these days… it’s been years since I synced anything to my computer. My port is used solely for charging. What’s the use case? Music?
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What’s the use case?
Not paying for overpriced cloud storage for one.
I don't know that there's a lot of overlap between apple users and people that mind overpaying.
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I work in IT and will often plug in devices to a PC for a variety of reasons (I work with alot of older folks, so "cloud storage" is scary).
The transfer times with iPhone can be pretty appalling.
It’s worth noting that wireless transfer does not mean “cloud storage”. It can, and often does, but it is also easy to wirelessly back up things like photos entirely locally. With most prebuilt NAS units, all you have to do is buy something like a synology, some of them even come prefilled with hard drives, and go through the wizard in the app. That’s it, and the app will wirelessly, automatically back up things like pictures to your own locally controlled storage. I’m pretty sure you can do it natively with Time Machine too if you really wanted.
(I work with alot of older folks, so “cloud storage” is scary).
Yeah, well, Jennifer Lawrence has a lot to say about Apple's cloud storage.
I don't want to pay for 300gb of overpriced iCloud storage. That's the use case.
Are you syncing all of your data off of the phone via the cable and not wifi?
Setting up a network file share or FTP server or whatever and the app to access it is muuuch more effort than just plugging my phone in and using it like any other flash storage device, plus USB3 transfer speeds are better.
For me it's just simpler and less prone to error is all.
If you are dealing with large amounts of data I get it. I’d go hardwired too. Most people’s use case is “I took some video today and I want to mirror it to my computer”. That doesn’t sound like the case.
How much data are you moving around?
For easy fast sharing over local LAN there are services like https://pairdrop.net which are far from hard to use. It may not be as fast as USB, but in most cases it works well. I just wanted to point out that sharing things over LAN is not that hard.
Even better service is LocalSend.
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Anyone using the pro to take raw images or 4k video. The files are huge.
That one actually supports 3.0 10 GB/s though.
It's funny how Apple said that 3.0 was really fast and exciting.
Come on apple, it's just 3.0. The first android phone with 3.0 (I assume 5 GB/s) came out a decade ago.
Moving large FLAC files onto my phone, and sending music data through USB into an audiophile DAC/amp. The higher the transfer speeds the better when you're moving gigabytes of data from my computer to my phone.
Photos and videos for professionals. These days phone cameras are good enough for at least a backup device and they’ll transfer to laptop using cable. But I’d assume those people are on the iPhone pro models
I do it all the time to pull pictures off my camera to my phone. I can picture other photographers doing the same.
For me it's because I use my old phones as webcams.
Only using the cable to sync with my Windows virtual machine with iTunes.
Wouldn’t have it any other way as iCloud isn’t for me.
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Is this because it's a last minute design change of just the port, but they opted to also change out the USB controller on the pros?
Or is this their new "16gb vs 128gb" upsell strategy?
Based on the presentation it seems like the USB3 controller is on-die for the A17 pro bionic chip. So rather than re-engineer the chip for the A16 they've shipped it on the cheap, they could add an external controller or re-engineer the die.
I'd bet next year all iphone models are USB3.
People will hate it, but it's a very logical explanation
Maybe I’m lost but why will people hate it?
Because people would probably rather believe it's some conspiracy by Apple to purposely nerf the cheaper iPhone.
Ah. Well if I’m not mistaken Lemmy is mostly Android / FOSS biased so I’m not surprised some people might have the “Apple bad” mindset. Honestly why do people care what products other people use? I read a comment the other day about an Android user despairing that some feature Google is implementing (don’t remember which) might make some Android users jump ship to Apple… Ok who cares? Why so much emotional investment in something so trivial? It sounds just as crazy when you flip it, “Oh no some of my Apple friends are switching to Android or PC” …. A phone is an everyday appliance. Do you care what brand your neighbor’s kitchen appliances are? That’s how you should feel about phones IMHO.
It's not quite that simple when you're talking about a company with huge market share like that because the decisions they make go on to effect the market as a whole, look at headphone jacks, or screen notches for example. Not saying this is only apples fault, companies following their lead are just as bad or worse in some cases.
We can see it happening again with the removal of Sim cards, sure it won't effect me, but if it becomes more industry standard, it will; and I like physical Sims (though that argument is not for here).
In my opinion it is important to know and criticize market leaders to try to avoid those changes becoming industry norm. To use your example, I would care about what whiteware my neighbours buy if the shitty decisions they make come back to effect me down the road. Look at the criticism of smart TVs and how hard it is to get a top featured "dumb Tvs" now.
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Yeah it appears like they are differentiating the high end phones with the latest SoC and giving the core phones the previous year's chip. You get whatever the old chip had and next year's iPhone 16 will get the A17 and all the features that includes.
Except several (non M1 iPads) have USB 3.1 already….
I’d have to see a teardown, but I’d imagine with all the extra space in the iPads, they could stick a separate controller board in there. Phones are a bit harder to do that with, especially if it’s a last minute change.
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Progression for we (Android), not for thee (iOS).
The first USB-C Android phones were also only USB 2.0.
Although that was 8 years ago, when USB 3 was only just starting to become commonplace.
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I just upgraded to a 13 from my XR with a dying battery, and while I'm glad overall that Apple has adopted USB-C, I'm glad it started at the 15 so I don't have to buy a bunch of new cables and bricks. I have 5 cables- 1 in the house as a data cable, 2 in the house as charge cables, 1 in the car and 1 at work. Some of them are longer than others. I don't want to have to repurchase all of that.
But if you already are part of the USB-C ecosystem, absolutely. That said- this speed limiting thing is bullshit.
Just in case anyone has the wrong idea: it’s not artificial limiting, it’s the max 2.0 speed
To be fair, usb3 has been around since 2008. Surely apple could have afforded to pay 3 more cents per phone to support that.
Yes, I’m just saying that it’s not really an artificial limitation just corporate greed
It was just announced so, in the background its up to normal speed.
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