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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I like the sound of this for a device, but couldn’t it be more for these new ARM laptops?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Who knows, maybe we'll see something like a Steam Engine processor by 2030, hah!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since they seem so interested in Linux, open source, and boosting currently niche technologies to mainstream, maybe they should make the Steam Deck RISC-V?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Valve is interested in controlling the software they use on their hardware and not being dependent on Microsoft or license costs. They are a for profit business. More games running on their machines help their sales.

RISC-V would be a terrible architecture for them at the moment. There are zero chips available with somewhat competitive performance. The number of commercial games that natively run on it is also small if not zero.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I think the open source angle is slightly incidental: They saw Apple's and Microsoft app stores as a threat and decided using linux as the OS for their devices. That's at least what I've read a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Going by Apple’s transition from Intel to ARM, an ARM-based Steam Deck would be a no-brainer. They could make it a lot less bulky, ditch the cooling fans and still bump up performance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It’s not a no brainer. If they want to run x68-64 games on it, they need good tools like Apple’s Rosetta. It would definitely decrease performance and lower the number of compatible games.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Whether we like it or not, the low-power-draw of ARM mean it's probably the future of personal computing, very likely to supplant X64 systems in all but the server space. If ARM continues on this path of growth to create even faster, more agile processors, it could also eventually take over the server space well.

Honestly, it's time for a shakeup to Intel's dominance and the stagnating status of X86/X64 chips.

EDIT: Come to think of it, in the future an ARM-powered Steamdeck might not need to be as bulky at all for the same output. Ideal for the form-factor.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Once a truly reliable x86 translation layer is figured out Intel's days are numbered, my mate just got a Surface pro ARM and the PRISM emulator mostly works, but it has all sorts of trouble with anything that hooks deep into Windows like VPNs and Anticheat software. The battery literally lasts all day though, sometimes more even with heavy usage which is kind of amazing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

ARM64 is already here (Apple have replaced Intel with it, and Windows PC vendors are following suit), it’s just, as William Gibson put it, not evenly distributed. Mainstream high-performance ARM devices are imminent in a way that RISC-V isn’t yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

There are ARM servers available too.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Risc-v steamdeck makes me salivate....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where are you getting RISC from?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Seriously. You can't even get loose risc-v chips even from mouser and especially not ebay or alibaba. I'm not counting those bullshit low pin coint microcontrollers, I want an actual microprocessor with a parallel bus and peripherals so I can do personal computing stuff with it. And is at least more powerful than a Pentium 1.

With arm cpus you can at least get the bottom of the barrel microprocessors no one else wants. A53 1.4ghz chips are actually reasonably priced but beyond that it's not. Arm is currently a better contender for a "build your own computer" type thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

But they said ARM.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Hopefully they start supporting ARM64 on platforms that made the switch already too.

Unfortunately I get a feeling that Valve is going to make a proprietary platform out of Linux like Google did with Android and people will be clapping all along the way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Valve will do with SteamOS what’s good for them and their profits. They aren’t in this for idealism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

They stand to gain nothing from making a proprietary platform

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I'm dripping wet