I'm not a legal expert but it feels like these sorts of laws shouldn't be rushed. That right there is an immediate red flag that this is bad legislation. Also, not to get all V for Vendetta and shit but what's the limitations on who gets classified as a terrorist.
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but what’s the limitations on who gets classified as a terrorist.
Exactly my issue with this. I don't trust the corrupt Australian government to objectively apply this law. This country is sleepsprinting into authoritarianism one small cut at a time. I may be in my very early-30's, but I'm making active plans to get out of here before things get worse. Australia has never felt more suffocating and restrictive.
The government has fired Michael Pezzullo this morning. But never fear, the systemic abuses he was employed to oversee look set to continue with bipartisan fervour.
Don't worry guys, these laws are only for terrorists. You know, like the secret courts are for trying terrorists.
They've been used for many dangerous terrorists like checks notes ... whistleblowers speaking out against government corruption. Wait that doesn't seem right. Hold on there must be something here frantically flips through notes aha! Lawyers of whistleblowers....ah fuck.
I don't understand why terrorists even need to be trialled in secret - what's the government's stated excuse? That we decided its just not worth properly funding our legal system to ensue a prompt trial and protect the rule of law?
Going off memory so someone please correct me but I think it was introduced by Howard and the excuse was national security, naturally. More specifically to keep secret any sensitive evidence that could compromise national security. I guess there is just no other solution to that other than to throw rule of law in the bin 🤷
Yeah - that definitely feels like a Howard post-911 destroy civil liberties kind of thing. I do think it's something we were doing before that, but it ramped up to an industrial scale under Howard.
Redefining someone as a terrorist is a way to pull them out of the regular judicial system. This video goes into a lot of detail with how secrecy in governments started. The final lines are chilling. This is a nightmare.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
New legislation giving judges the power to strip terrorists of their citizenship is being rushed into federal parliament this week, as the government tries to shore up its anti-terror regime in the wake of two recent High Court rulings.
Last month convicted terrorist Abdul Nacer Benbrika won his High Court bid to have his citizenship restored after it was cancelled by then home affairs minister Peter Dutton in November 2020.
Benbrika, who was born in Algeria, was found guilty of leading a terror cell that had plotted to blow up Australian landmarks and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.
The High Court ruled that stripping someone of their Australian citizenship was such an extreme punishment that it should be imposed by a judge, not a minister.
It followed a separate ruling in June 2022 in which a man suspected of joining Islamic State, who had never been convicted in Australian court, also had his citizenship restored.
Ms O'Neil took aim at her predecessor, Mr Dutton, in announcing the changes on Monday, arguing he had ignored advice at the time the former government pushed the citizenship legislation through parliament that it was legally shaky.
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coz 'terrorist' is something I vote towards.. thanks MSM
what a crock...