A theocratic, revolutionary, far-right nationalist movement, which rejects the fundamental ideals of liberal enlightenment?
So... Fascism.
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Nationalist Christians?
Hmm.... We should come up with a word for that.
How about Nat-Cs?
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and I want my scalps.
I think I've heard of them before. You might be on to something!
Excellent article.
So basically you have the post-liberal right movement (who are ultra-religious Catholic zealots) slyly co-opting both the MAGA movement and the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 plans to push their own agenda, which is even more extend than either of the other two. Eesh!
Do the Catholic zealots not realize that less than 70 years ago most Americans were paranoid about them taking over, reigniting and justifying that fear seems rather stupid. Especially since quite a few more liberal Catholics would throw them under the bus, and the Jesuits would probably smuggle guns against them.
Opus Dei has had a huge influence on the post-liberal right movement. And you can't get more tone deaf to really anything than Opus Dei. They don't give a shit about context or history or regional/national concerns. They are the proverbial hammer that sees everything as a nail.
I say the following not for you (the person I'm replying to), but for others who may read this...
Some people refer to the Catholic Church as a cult, but really the church is a broad umbrella of competing subgroups that share common beliefs yet approach most topics with pretty different perspectives (a great example being the more science-based Jesuits versus other anti-science and ultra-superstitious orders).
That said, there are cults within the Catholic Church. And Opus Dei is probably the biggest and most extreme one. They want to impose their fanatical dogma not only on the rest of the church, but also on the world. They are a cancer on global society.
That said, there are cults within the Catholic Church. And Opus Dei is probably the biggest and most extreme one. They want to impose their fanatical dogma not only on the rest of the church, but also on the world. They are a cancer on global society.
Opus Dei, Southern Baptist evangelicals, Scientologists, Zionist settlers, jihadist Muslims, whatever -- all forms of religious fundamentalism are cancer and the theological differences between them are basically irrelevant.
It must be incredibly jarring to see a friend change so drastically.
I went through this with a friend of 20+ years. It is pretty much one of the worst things that have ever happened to me.
Same but for my mom
I'm so sorry. I hope they find their way back to you.
Went through something broadly similar a few years ago. It’s kinda confidence-shattering, tbh. I had thought I was a pretty deft judge of character up to that point. Years after the fallout, I’ve come to realize that while I am actually still probably a better than average judge of character, that doesn’t really apply to psychopaths that actively hide their true nature as a habit and rule. But the whole clusterfuck and how much I missed the signs still fucks with my head sometimes even today.
I've given up thinking I'm a good judge of character completely. You can't do much better than judging people by the company they keep, anyway. Sometimes people of quality can be alone, but utter bastards never are.
But I'll be damned if I'm not still good at standing up to my friends. After I failed to make them see reason for long enough to be sure it was permanent... I cut them off 4 years ago and haven't said a word to them since, even when they literally stalked me.
If you haven't got integrity, you don't really have anything, do you?
Judging character and identifying psychopaths are two wildly different skill sets, though arguably one depends on the other.
I'm slowly getting better (more experienced) at identifying psychopaths and narcissists, but holy shit it can be difficult.
Well… it’s either a change, or a revelation of their true self.
But either way, yes, It is.
About a year and a half into the pandemic, I learned The Guy who I had considered one of my closest friends for years was essentially a psychopath, but was also really good at hiding it. Like sure, there were signs, and I and others in our friend group would scratch our heads about The Guy every once in a while, but more or less chalked it up to him being a prickly non-neurotypical asshole sometimes (similar to myself, if I’m honest).
And then The Guy told me some wild shit that went down between himself and one of my other really good buddies, who is bi, though happily married to his wife, but was going through some really rough emotional shit at the time, and (reading between the lines after sobering up the next day) The Guy essentially took a really close friendship and abused and manipulated it to more or less hook up with our mutual friend.
And then some months later, when quarantimes were starting to relax after the vax rollout, I got together with a few people from our friend group and learned that The Guy said he had more or less pulled this same trick with another really close friend of mine who’d been struggling with fairly severe depression for years. And then we began comparing notes and connecting the dots right there and came to the unavoidable conclusion that The Guy was basically a psychopathic sexual predator on the down-low. Oh, and that The Guy apparently beats his dog every once in a while.
That was a horrifying conclusion for all of us. The Guy was pretty quickly excised from our friend group.
TL;DR: yes. It sucks when a psycho works their way into your friend group. It really fucking sucks.
He is literally speaking MAGA out loud.
"Post-liberalism" sure sounds like exactly what socialists always said would follow liberalism.