It's time for Russia to concede territory and end the war for the sake of all Russians.
this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2024
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Maybe the Russians will be better off under Ukrainian control.
That seems highly probable but let's be real here: That's a pretty low bar.
You would need a shovel just to find the bar.
I could do the trick, really. Fucking Big Bird from Sesame Street could do a better job.
I bet Big Bird would actually be a pretty solid leader.
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I mean there are Ukrainian people living there right now. According to the argumentation in the past this area basically belongs to Ukraine now. They could make a referendum about this topic 🤔
Three days to Kyiv, what could go wrong?
Some Tankie argued with me about that because he told me to find a quote from Putin where he literally said that. Like, does that matter? That was the general Russian sentiment.
I don't think Putin publicly said it to br fair. It's something that was said by Russian propagandists and there was a leaked FSB report claiming that Putin also believed it.
Clearly things are not going according to plan for Russia though, regardless of they thought it'd take three days or three months. Their actions in the initial hours and days of the war also seemed to indicate they were aiming for a quick decapitation.
I don't think he did either, but it's a silly request to make because it was very obvious that, even if the 'three days' thing wasn't literal, they expected the war to be over very quickly and they would roll into Kyiv with little resistance.
Very true. It's really frustrating having a discussion with those people because they never seem to argue in good faith. I honestly don't think they can possibly believe some of the unhinged stuff they say.
Apparently Lukashenko said the "Kyiv in three days" part. I can't find a good source to link, though.
Ukraine should immediately and publicly offer peace terms with Russia:
- Both countries reset to *1991 borders. Each nation immediately leaves others' territory
- Return any captured Ukrainian men, women, and children
- Russian reparations for people, land, equipment destroyed or stolen
- Kremlin leaders responsible for invasion to face an international tribunal
This would show that Ukraine is reasonable but still allowed to defend itself. But more importantly, it would shut up the boot-licking tankies who muddy the waters and falsely claim that bOtH SiDeS are invading each other...
They will never ever return those children. And if they somehow did, a lot of them were so young that they won't recognize their real parents. The magnitude of that crime is absolutely staggering.
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And so Ukraine starts a special operation on Russian territory to defeat the Nazi regime and save the Ukrainian majority population.
Oh shit, they've actually captured the area and are holding it? That's pretty significant! If they can keep this up, then maybe they can force Russia to concede? ...Though any russian deal to end the war obviously won't be honoured, which does make it a bit of a conundrum. Still, this is a good thing.
Ukraine is not dug in, but it definitely seems like Russia's front line around Kursk is collapsing, and Ukraine has the initiative here.
Russia's border defense turned out to be mostly conscripts who got the fuck out of the way and/or surrendered the minute the fighting got remotely serious. And behind them is a whole lot of nothing until they hit the secondary lines which are, one would assume, a little more solid and based on natural obstacles like rivers and cities.
The contract soldiers are better, but they're also on the frontline.
So basically the same quality defenses that rolled over when the Wagner guy started his march to Moscow...
That guy was such a moron. Once you start something like that, you'd best see it through or die trying (rather than die a short time later on other people's terms).
So what about going around the rear and attacking Donbass from the russian side? I have no further knowledge, just spitballing here
That’s the kind of military plan hitler would order after a bit too much meth, to get to Rostov Ukraine would need to go hundreds of miles behind enemy lines with no logistics
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There's no way they realistically hold or capture any of this. They just don't have the logistics. But it's an amazing opportunity to create a dilemma for Russia. They either 1) ignore it and let Ukrainian forces rampage around in Russian territory unopposed or 2) they redeploy forces from the front to defend Russian territory.
The Ukrainian forces should stay nimble either way, and retreat without too big a fight back to their own territory in the latter case, hopefully having caused enough of a diversion for a counteroffensive where they need it.
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Last I checked it looked like they had breached some major lines of defence, which means they may be past the worst of minefields etc. If they have room to manoeuvre for real by the time the russians send more forces the russians are going to have a real bad time trying to respond to this.
I strongly believe that Russia is preparing a more serious response. They just were not prepared for this, so didn't have defenses in place. Better to retreat and cede some territory than wasting troops in a losing battle. Since their land is so large, they can still come back later and reconquer.
Also, Ukraine can't use that many troops to actually fortify the region, given that they are also under heavy pressure at the more southern fronts.
And, 130 square miles is tiny compared to all the territory that Russia got so far.
Well, I believe the biggest win about this is for morale. Russians get scared because the war is now in their country, and Ukrainians get a buffer zone.
Yeah, I assume this is a dual purpose morale booster and demoralizerm Ukraine shows that Russias defenses are a paper tiger because they relied on threats and it will force Russia to respond with troops, either by pulling from the front lines or reinforcements. Either way it moves the fighting to Russian land and that will demoralize support in Russia.
Plus they can disrupt more supply lines and war manufacturing locations by going around the border defenses. They don't even need to hold ground, just be a thorn in Russia's side.
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I believe that's more than Russia has advanced in a year
Am area the size of Philly. Whew that's gonna worry Russia.
IIRC it's to smash the gas pipelines. If they want to actually hold this they're gonna have a hard time. Maybe they can turn it into a flanking move or something, otherwise it has the makings of a "high water mark" moment like Gettysburg.
IIRC it’s to smash the gas pipelines.
It's to make Russia either destroy the facilities in order to dislodge the UAF and retake the area or show weakness and allow the capture to stand for a period.
Those gas pipelines run through Ukraine, don’t they? If they wanted to cut off the pipeline they didn’t need to cross the border to do that.
350 sq km, to compare to the previous headline I saw of 200 sq km.
on to moscow!
Surprise move by Ukraine! Watch Russia nuke their own territory to be able to use a nuke to look strong, dangerous and unpredictable and not get in trouble for it.
(This is a joke)
They've been telling people they'll nuke anyone that crosses their border that nothing happening now is a letdown. It's like discovering the gang of bikers all have rub on tattoos.
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And they will dig in probably, forcing Russian troops to use their destroy and advance tactic on their own villages.
This wouldnt have been related to the F-16s in action now would it?
I know they are wicked overpowered comepared to a lot of Russian aircraft, but do they have this sort of range?
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