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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago (5 children)

No, that's not how it works. It would be the same as not voting at all, since RFK has no chance of winning.

Vote for Biden if you want to stop Trump.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

It depends on the state. If it’s a purple state or a state where they do ranked-choice voting, then this is right and a vote for Biden is helpful.

If OP is in a solid red state, he can vote for any alternative candidate and it won’t matter which alt candidate he chooses since Trump will already have it locked up.

The only asterisk is if abortion is on the ballot as a statewide measure. That can take a red state (like Kentucky) and turn out enough voters to temporarily make it blue.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Every state is a purple state. If all the voters who usually stay home voted, any state could go for Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that the OP wanted to vote tactically, but if that isn't relevant in their particular state, then they should vote their preference.

Since RJK is an unhinged anti-vaxxer and conspiracy theorist, I would suggest voting for Biden, since it may move the needle for future elections.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I guarantee you Biden will outperform RFK in every state, including Wyoming and Missippi.

Voting for RFK helps him pass the threshold for federal party funding and effectively gives money to a nut.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you want Biden to win vote for Biden. Jesus fucking Christ.

Gaming primaries is a ~potentially valid~ idea but in what world do you think voting for the ~other~ candidate in a winner-takes-all election would help your desired candidate win?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean statistically in a state THAT red your there will never be enough blue votes to overcome the stupidity of the rural class, so it may not matter. Still voting for the off brand inside a 2 party system is a very bad habit to encourage. Just vote for Biden.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (34 children)

No. Vote Biden.

UPDATE: Vote Harris!*

If you can spare the time or money, volunteer and donate to the campaign in places they can actually win.

EDIT: Also, vote Democrat if there are any other elections going on at the same time. If Trump does win, the only chance of holding him to any kind of account is to have as many Democrats in positions of power as possible.

Sincerely, someone who can't vote in your elections but still lives with the knock-on effects!

*EDIT 2: Absolute necro-editing to change this to say Vote Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 months ago

No. What? No! In what world does this make any sense? The only way your vote for RFK could possibly "take away" a vote from Trump, is if you were going to vote for Trump but changed your mind.

Your vote doesn't affect the vote count of the other candidates...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No because RFK is a fucking joke - When states are called solid "red" or "blue" they're usually 60+% in favor of a party. More people in your state are voting for Biden than RFK so if you're hoping to flip your state vote for the democrat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I feel like in most states, non-voters overwhelm the difference between the two candidates. Vote s d find a friend to vote with.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, it's better for you to vote for Biden and convince Trumpers to vote for RFK. You want those who vote for Trump to vote for RFK for a spoiler effect

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 months ago

No. Vote Biden.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago

If you live in a red state and want Trump to not get your EC votes, your most likely path to success is voting for Biden and trying as hard as you can to convince people who don’t usually vote to also do so. Voting for RFK won’t change the tally enough.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Because of our garbage voting system, any vote not going to the top two candidates is the same as scribbling over that section of the ballot. If your goal is to not have Donald win, you want to add as many votes as you can for the other of the top two candidates.

The only way a vote for RFK would help prevent Donald is if it were coming from someone who otherwise certainly would have voted for Donald. Even then the ideal is that they vote for an opponent who has a chance of winning.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

Why not vote (D)? The Rs plan on contesting the voting everywhere all the time, and if the last round was any indicator, they will even contest in places the win, so.... IF the goal is to take votes from Trump, it would probably be better to show that even in fire red areas, there are still some cool blues.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

No. Vote for Biden.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

When people say that, they mean a person who would have voted for trump. Instead voting rfk.

If you were never voting trump, you vote can't be taken away because it was never voting for trump to begin with

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If you are in a deep red state, it will seem that your vote won't matter. Because it mostly won't. However, the way States vote changes over time. The closer the vote totals in a State, the more likely the National Democratic Party is to invest resources into building up and promoting candidates in those States. That sort of thing can shift the needle, if slowly. Keep in mind that California voted Republican from '68 to '88 (source) but shifted over time.

It sucks to vote and feel like you're just pissing in the wind. But, each vote moves the needle just a bit more and maybe, eventually, things will swing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

"Pissing in the wind" is such a great phrase

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

A vote for RFK is one less vote for Trump. A vote for Biden is twice that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Kennedy is only on the ballot in 14 states, so first, it's unlikely he'll be on your ballot.

Alaska, California, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Where can you add names to the ballot?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Each state has their own process, generally you have to submit enough signatures.

They also have their own deadlines... beyond which signatures are not accepted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

You're not going to affect the outcome so cast whatever vote makes sleep the happiest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

maybe in the primaries but this would be like not voting at all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

the answer you are looking for the opportunity has already passed this year but is useful in the next election.

What you ate looking for is to vote tactically. Vote republican in the in the primary and choose weak republican candidates then vote democratic in the general.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

This strategy worked well in 2016!

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