this post was submitted on 18 Jul 2024
583 points (98.2% liked)

politics

19136 readers
4747 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 132 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Reality means nothing to conservatives or they wouldn't be conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I heard a guy with a theory that it's all kayfabe and it makes so much sense. They know it's a lie and they believe it because it's more satisfying than reality.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Recently was talking to a conservative guy about the rising fascist on the right.

I wasn’t calling him a fascist, just pointing out that extreme views are brewing on the right and I think that could be a problem.

He just responded with “but the left are the ones committing all the genocides”. No examples or anything to back that up.

I honestly didn’t know how to respond. He also supports Israel so… they literally live in a different reality. They probably consume propaganda that constantly tells them the left are this terrible boogeymen.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

This is a direct results of consolidation of the media. Mass media is all owned by just a few people/groups. Who despite claims otherwise absolutely practice editorialism over what their organizations present and how they present it. It is increasingly less possible to find what passes for mainstream American left getting actual proper representation on corporate media. And actual left-wing left gets zero or negative representation. Which is all by Design. Because it serves those people and groups and not the public as a whole.

So they realistically do live in an alternate reality. And short of taking them out of that media Echo sphere. There is nothing you individually can do to change or help that. You cannot help those who are not looking to be helped. So unless they come to you with concerns over breaking cognitive dissonance. There is basically little you can do. Other than push back respectfully or not.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's such a flagrant lie, too. I mean, it's not like it's in the realm of close, of that it depends on how you interpret the data - there are way more on the right, period.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

No, see, they are wholesome Christians who worship guns and fear mongering. They love phrases like fuck around and find out, don't tread on me (or else), and something along the lines of this house is protected by Smith and Wesson. But Lincoln was a Republican killed by Democrats, so they are evil murderers. Please ignore that in today's politics he would have been a far left woke Democrat killed by a Republican....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I hate putting this out there, but my hyper conservative dad when confronted with these and other links here about RvL terrorism..."because conservatives have the conviction and drive to take action!"

cant. win. JFC

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right-wing extremists were just as likely to commit violent acts as those motivated by Islamic extremism, the researchers found. Left-wing extremists were a distant third.

Word.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The only thing white people are actually currently embracing with supremacy: violence against their own citizens.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago
[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There should be consequences to blatant lies from the media and our politicians.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

There are, already; their preferred candidates usually get a bump in polling. Why let the truth stand in the way of that?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It impresses me that people haven't gone to Fox News HQ or any other to do something about it

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I can't find anything in the article that suggests a reporter called out his lies to his face.

We need some real journalists covering these ghouls, not stenographers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Got to find a way to pay them well tho

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Yes, but that's not going to change the minds of the people he was talking to.

As usual, the lie gets halfway around the world, before the truth has got its boots on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One must really be missing more than few bricks off a wall to buy any of the statistics a right-wing think tank spits out.

Even the work "think tank" is disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of humanity just has a deep seated need to hear their own opinions repeated by somebody they think is better than them, be it an important man in a tie, a newspaper headline, or even just an influencer on TikTok.

And once they hear that one opinion, it leaves them wide open to accept pretty much anything that comes out of their mouths.

The old media, the TV networks, social media... It's all there to push their own ideas masquerading as your own. Find an opening and shovel it in. I can't claim immunity to it either. I'm perfectly happy to see "Brexit voters had lower levels of education" as a headline and think "yup, that makes sense", while for all I know it could be complete bollocks.

There's so much shit being thrown at you 24 hours a day, that you can't even begin to fact check all of it.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

If the Left perpetrated violence the way the Right says we do, we'd have executed most of their leaders by now.

I'm anti-violence, fwiw. It's one of the reasons I believe we're gonna lose in the longterm. We have fucking morality and ethics to contend with and they just lie and cheat openly and shamelessly.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Abortions are political violence according to the right.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

They would probably agree with you on that one.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

The people listening to him don't give two shits about the truth.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Uh, January 6th? I'm pretty sure the sum total of political violence on that day swamps everything else for years.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Even if heritage was correct and left-wing terrorism was more common, it wouldn't change the fact that left-wing terrorism is often way more moral than right-wing terrorism.

Targetting ultra-wealthy, alt-right or similar organizations in assassinations/kidnappings/robberies is infinitely better than committing ethnically-driven murders and mass shootings.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Um, of course it's wrong. The DHS (correctly) identified the right wing domestic terrorist threat wayyyyy back under Bush.

Naturally, the radical right wing freaked right out over this revelation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

This is the “bloodless revolution” psycho.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If sick burns and pointing out logical fallacies are political violence, he's absolutely right, GOP gets brutalized daily.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

They keep lying, and maybe we should make it come true if they want a dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I want the left to have the hit the most fascists with milkshakes award.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

MAGA is their name. Projection is their game.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Ah yes the extremely violent left which is failing because its always trying to play by the rules and be politically correct while the right does whatever they want.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

AP is doing the Heritage Foundation's work with this article.

The unhinged fascists don't need to be right. They don't need to be taken at face value. They don't need anything but publicity, and AP is giving it to them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Disinformation is a powerful tool, that's all this is. He knows better.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right-wing extremists were just as likely to commit violent acts as those motivated by Islamic extremism, the researchers found. Left-wing extremists were a distant third.

I can't speak for every leftist, but I don't think anything can really be accomplished through individual, random acts of violence. Then again, I don't really think very much of anything can be accomplished through any means, really. I've come to see hope as futile and change as impossible. But, I do think acts of violence are especially futile. Plus, I don't really want to hurt anyone, even people I don't like very much.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure if you, like, locked the doors at cpac and filled the rooms with carbon monoxide so they all died, you'd accomplish quite a lot. It wouldn't fix everything, but a lot of evil doers would be gone.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Several things can be accomplished: instilling fear, forcing disproportionate responses, provide thinly veiled excuses for... well, almost anything.

It's just that there's nothing positive that can be accomplished that way.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Common misconception. He was actually saying most political violence is committed by people politically to his left, which I think is undoubtedly true.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I fuckin wish

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Every time they say it, they add to the 'evidence' of it being true. This is the purpose of the Heritage foundation, who wrote Project 2025.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Remember that word for political violence?

Terrorism.

load more comments
view more: next ›