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[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 months ago (10 children)

No woman, anywhere in the world, should ever be required to wear any of these. Humans should be respected to make their own personal choices.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Sure, but many women choose to wear these and that’s fine if that’s what they want to do.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It's also worn out of fear. People falsly believe it protects you from sexual assault.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Choose to because otherwise they get kicked from the family?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Choose and Required are opposites.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Clothing fit for making a clear statement they are not on the same level as men. Is this compatible with modern society, inherent human needs and equality?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Easy answer, yes if they are doing it of their own free will with informed consent. People can wear whatever they want.

Hard question, does heavy cultural pressure and implied threats of violence impact your ability to ever truly give informed consent?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Although it does get a little dicey when you factor in cultural conditioning. Some women are devout by choice—but if they grew up in the religion it’s impossible to determine if that devoutness is a truly held belief or if they’ve been essentially brainwashed. I don’t mean to say there’s some insidious plot of brainwashing, but there’s really no other way to describe deep, long term conditioning from a dominant in-group.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is probably just cause I’m on NCD too much but does the last one kinda look like a stealth fighter?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

I am torn between stealth fighter and payload tbh.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yup, and with barely any radar cross section either

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Crazy how many completely different names there are for different kinds of clothing that's sooooo close to each other.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How many different kinds of hats with entirely different names do you own? I have a sun hat, a toque, a helmet, a rain cap, one of those ones with flaps that I don't know the name of but probably has one, and I'm sure half of you own a fedora and a trilby.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I see your point and I think the hats are a better example than the trousers comment below. Especially when it comes to traditional clothing, there's a ton of different, very specialized hats with special names and for a 3rd person might be all just 'hats'. Thanks for the analogy. :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Islamic world is what - 40 countries? 50? Im not suprised at all. How many different words can be used to describe pants just in Europe alone?

Pants Knickers Slacks Trousers Bloomers Briefs Britches Pantaloons

And thats just English synonyms, how many languages are in Europe? There are easily 100 words in Europe for the cloth tubes you stick your legs in.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Pants, Knickers, Slacks, Trousers, Bloomers, Briefs, Britches, Pantaloons

Aren't these just synonyms for the more or less same thing and not different concepts that just (almost) look alike? The pure existence of this guide implies that the nuances between these kinds of clothing are so important that you should be able to differentiate them. And Hijab and Shayla seem to me almost identical. The cloth is placed slightly different but that might have happened also by the wind or so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There could be very specific nuances to each synonym for pants as well, and we could debate what exactly the difference is between briefs and slacks. Jeans is a good example of this, its the exact same style of clothing as other pants, its just made with a very specific textile. If you saw a photo of bleached jeans and white pants, you would have the same complaints that you have with OPs photo, you couldnt tell the difference.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Can men wear these? I want to scare my kids and these would be perfect

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I like the one resembling a Christmas tree.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

is there one word I can learn that describes all of these because honestly that's too much to remember

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It's almost definitely cultural, but putting all the head coverings under the generic umbrella of Hijab is what I've seen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Never heard of a Chador, looks cozy.

This drawing kind of makes a Burka look crazy, like she's blindfolded.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Its a mesh over the eyes iirc like very shear fabric.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly outside of protection from the sun they all look extremely uncomfortable/constraining. Especially the burka.

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