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From a hotel in Kyoto to a sandwich joint in Edinburgh, the world is becoming hostile toward Israelis who are learning that a vacation won't shield them from the Gaza war.

During the nine months of war the Israeli tourist experience abroad has been marked by fears of antisemitism and efforts to avoid pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

According to reports by Israeli media and posts online, some of those worries have recently turned real for a number of Israeli tourists.Anecdotal incidents at touristic locations around the world are making it clear that even though there is no official policy of excluding Israelis, that is sometimes the situation on the ground.

An especially bumpy week began on June 17 at the Material Hotel in Kyoto, Japan, when an Israeli named Alex was informed that his reservation had been canceled due to the allegations of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. The Material told Alex that it was "not able to accept reservations from persons we believe might have ties to the Israeli army," as reported by Israeli website Ynet.

The story made the rounds on social media, produced a stern protest letter from Israel's ambassador in Tokyo, and led to a rebuke by the Kyoto municipality that the hotel had breached Japanese business law and must ensure that such a transgression won't happen again.

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[–] [email protected] 219 points 3 months ago (70 children)

Jews around the word are less safe because of Israel when they were promised the opposite. Their faith has been used as a cover for a land grab and they put your holy symbol on a flag they go to war, and worse, under. It's no wonder so many Jews at least in the US are critical of Israel. It probably feels a lot like being a regular Muslim watching groups commit violence with their religious iconography and warped interpretations used to create 'justification'.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Anecdotally, I've never met any Jewish people in the US who didn't have strongly negative opinions of the government/state of Israel.

Some people aren't okay with their holy texts being warped into a cudgel and used to beat down the innocent.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It depends on your particular social circle but 80-85% of Jews are supportive of Israel. Most oppose Netanyahu.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago

Some people aren't okay with their holy texts being warped into a cudgel and used to beat down the innocent.

Damn, if that isn't a spot-on description of how I feel about my faith right now.

My parents don't understand why I stopped going to church, amd when I try to explain why, they say that they're different when they're really not.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

A lot like being German in 1949.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (25 children)

It honestly feels like we somehow have to take back the (very loaded) word "antisemitism", as Israel and its supporters seem intent on making it mean "anything the Israeli government disagrees with".

I'm not an antisemite, and have no hate whatsoever for anyone because of theirs religious beliefs or where they come from. My views are antizionist and antigenocide. Which are strictly political views, not tied to any specific demographic of people.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This has been going on for years though. In the same way that it is not islamophobic to criticize somebody who happens to be Muslim. It is not anti-semitic to criticize somebody who is Jewish. But you try explaining that to Jewish person and you get pushback as if somehow criticizing the military and their government, is the same as criticizing them even though I never even mentioned them.

According to my parents this argument has been going on since the '60s so I don't think it's going to get resolved anytime soon.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 3 months ago (3 children)

was “not able to accept reservations from persons we believe might have ties to the Israeli army,”

Doesn't Israel have mandatory service of 1-2 years for young adults? This means every citizen has 'ties' to their army. I wonder whether the news is avoiding that fact since it changes a few narratives, if so.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It makes things very complicated.

Recently Israel bombed a medic and claimed he was a combatant. They had a picture of someone that looked like the man sitting in a military uniform in 2019. However that person was not an active combatant at all.

Their only intelligence to designate him as Hamas was a deep learning match on the picture and the man's face.

Assuming it was realy the medic in the picture, If any person that was ever affiliated with Hamas is a valid target the same would count for the IDF.

Meaning all Israeli civilians that ever served in the IDF suddenly count as military targets.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Yes. Pretty much every Israeli citizen will have "ties to the Israeli army".

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Cut it out with this antisemitism bullshit. Nobody cares that you're Jewish. People care about genocide no matter what invisible sky being you prefer.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Sounds a lot like what Americans faced when Bush attacked Iraq. And just as justified (ie not unjustified, but perhaps taken to extremes).

Israelis: Your government has made your nation a pariah. You are the people best positioned to change that. Get those motherfuckers out of office.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

Not a shock. The war has changed a lot.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Waffen-IDF and acolytes will not be granted room and board haha

Chad Japan hotel!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Whoever said history repeats itself was spot on

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/bookauth/zionism/america.htm

It is an atlantic article but it's from the 90s and an excerpt from a book. America was already Zion, but Jews integrated too much for the hyperconservatives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Truth is that many don't care that they get called anti semitic because one small subset of a religion over applies the term entirely out of context. They made it a meaningless slur on anyone who is against genocide.

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