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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Weapons designed to maim people also maim children when used on children

What a headline

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

No, these work exclusively on children. Report says nothing about adults or intended target.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

He said the doctors’ accounts of tiny entry wounds are also consistent with glide bombs and tank rounds fitted with fragmentation sleeves such as the M329 APAM shell, which is designed to penetrate buildings, and the M339 round which its manufacturer, Elbit Systems of Haifa, describes as “highly lethal against dismounted infantry”.

Of course the israeli in-house stuff weapons are war crimes^2^

Biden will ask israel to investigate it and send them more bombs

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

M329 is advertised as MP, but it lacks forward shaped charge so it's not, because it is not suited to destroy anything with more than ornamental armour, by design. instead, it's just a lot of pre-formed fragmentation in a cylindrical box. by itself, standard feature of modern weapons, but overall it's not a weapon designed to fight a peer adversary

“The issue comes with how these small munitions are being employed,” said Ball. “Even a relatively small munition employed in a crowded space, especially a space with little to no protection against fragmentation, such as a refugee camp with tents, can lead to significant deaths and injuries.”

this is the warcrimey part, i thought that it goes without saying

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How is this different from any grenade? Even the cheapest RG-42 grenades have pre formed fragmentation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

RG-42 is a ww2 era design that relies on natural fragmentation. it has no PFF, it has rolled steel sheet fragmentation liner with no indentations or anything that would aid in separation of fragments. that thing has pre-cut steel cubes, Spike uses tungsten cubes, steel balls or cylinders (soviet designs) are often used too. natural fragmentation results in wide range of fragment sizes, with either too small (and braking on air, causing no significan injury) or too big (produced in small number and missing intended fragment). RG-42 and to lesser degree RGD-5 fragments are just pieces of steel sheet, so few tens of meters away it's just angry glitter, because it brakes on air rapidly due to nonaerodynamic shape

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

https://youtu.be/HCoUTCBALZI?t=130 shows indentations for a RG-42.

But anyways the point is fragmentation munitions are commonplace.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i thought that RG-42 was smooth inside, and i still think that RGD-5 is

anyway, these are still not pre-formed fragments, because some of these grooves will not cause fragments to separate

it's not that different from any other weapon that throws around fragments, just that PFF covers highest area or whatever metric you choose per kilogram of weapon. this works only if you don't care too hard about cost and can ignore some engineering constraints (such as acceleration survivable by weapon etc)

e: you can see in that video at 5:50 how a few of these squared remained unseparated as a single fragment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

My point is that new weapons are better than old ones but they’re still fulfilling the same intention. It’s not like the inventor of the old grenades wouldn’t jump at the chance to increase the lethality of their creations.

The GMLRS used in Ukraine are also optimized for fragmentation and nobody is complaining because they’re fired at military targets.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Um, this isn't a war crime?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

War crimes are imaginary and only exist in theory.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Add it to the pile :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Committing war crimes is a typical way IDF operates.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Israeli-made weapons designed to spray high levels of shrapnel are causing horrific injuries to civilians in Gaza and disproportionately harming children, foreign surgeons who worked in the territory in recent months have told the Guardian.

The doctors say many of the deaths, amputations and life changing wounds to children they have treated came from the firing of missiles and shells – in areas crowded with civilians – packed with additional metal designed to fragment into tiny pieces of shrapnel.

Volunteer doctors at two Gaza hospitals said that a majority of their operations were on children hit by small pieces of shrapnel that leave barely discernible entry wounds but create extensive destruction inside the body.

Sanjay Adusumilli⁩, an Australian surgeon who worked at the al-Aqsa hospital in central Gaza in April, recovered shrapnel made up of small metal cubes about three millimetres wide while operating on a young boy.

“They appear designed to cause maximum injury and, in some respects, seem to be a more sophisticated version of the ball-bearings or nails and bolts which armed groups often pack into crude rockets and suicide bombs,” Amnesty said in a report at the time.

Many of the cases recalled by the surgeons involved children severely injured when missiles landed in or near areas where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are living in tents after being driven from their homes by the Israeli assault.


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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Israel will be paying and apologizing for this genocide indefinitely, just as Germany still has to pay and apologize for the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Am I right in thinking that Germany was isolated and had little choice but to admit culpability? Israel has other imperial states backing it to the hilt so I fear the situations aren't comparable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Don't have to pay if there's no one left to pay.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

'worlds most moral army'