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Middle East Crisis: Blinken Calls Some Hamas Changes to Cease-Fire Proposal ‘Unacceptable’ (www.nytimes.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Speaking at a news conference in Doha, Qatar, alongside Qatar’s prime minister and minister of foreign affairs, Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani, Mr. Blinken said that “a deal was on the table that was virtually identical” to one that Hamas put forward on May 6.

At some point, he said, “you have to question whether they’re proceeding in good faith or not.”

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fuck Blinken and fuck the NYT

Fuck anyone that gives speeches at AIPAC and expects us to believe they're not bought off already

https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-at-the-2023-american-israel-public-affairs-committee-policy-summit/

Now, I have to admit – (applause) – thank you. As I was talking with Michael and Howard and the other senior leadership of AIPAC a moment ago, I said my lifelong ambition has already been fulfilled by AIPAC because a few years ago – some of you may have been there – I got to appear in the Dallas Cowboys football stadium on a jumbotron. (Laughter.) Never thought that would happen. It’s thanks to you.

Motherfuckers don't even try to deny that they've been bought off.

If you're mad conservatives buy off SC justices with trips and bribes, then you should be pissed off when other high level government officials are bought off.

And AIPAC buys a shit ton of government officials, regardless of party or anything else.

They just require complete dedication to Israel over everything else

[+] [email protected] -7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why is it hard to believe that the people who started this war don't actually want it to end

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (16 children)

What?

I agree with that (except calling this genocide a war).

Israel started it decades ago, and openly keep saying they won't let it end until their genocide is finished.

They don't want it to end yet, because there's still Palestinians alive in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Israel started it? Who was it that invaded the day after the British protectorate ended? Oh right, not Israel. Instead they got invaded by all of the neighbouring arab countries who didn't like the UN approved borders.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

the day after the British protectorate ended?

That's a weird place to start the clock...

Like, you understand that wasn't that long after that land was all Palestine and the people who had lived there for generations had just been forced out with violence?

That's like if you robbed someone but instead of leaving you just stayed in their house and made them live in the backyard for months while threatening them at gunpoint...

Then one day you sold the gun.

Would you be surprised the family took the opportunity to get their house back?

What do you expect that family to do if your brother was the Sheriff and the cops took your side?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

What other starting point makes sense?

Jewish people had been there just as long as the Muslim population, they both have 1000+ year histories in that region.

The Ottoman empire (which controlled the region and a lot more) collapsed after WW1 due to a myriad of reasons, including losing the war. It was split up among some of the allied countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_the_Ottoman_Empire

Because that's what happens when you lose a war.

If we're talking about returning land that changed hands during/after WW1, there's going to be about a thousand more border changes than just for Israel. Massive swaths of Europe changed hands over that period.

Specifically, if you want Israel to hand land back, does that mean that Finland needs to be handed back to the Russians? They owned the country (and a bunch of other countries) prior to the end of WW1.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There hasn't been a sovereign and native state on that land since the Roman conquest of Judea lmfao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nope, but there has been a native population, blood thirsty colonizer.

The land wasn't empty. You don't get to pretend it was.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So your position is that it's more legitimate for someone to live there because their ancestors moved there under the Ottomans rather than people whose ancestors lived there before the Romans and moved back under the British?

I don't give a fuck about any of that. What I care about is that the Jewish militias were happy to accept sharing the land with a Palestinian state, while the Palestinians decided that any possible Israeli state was unacceptable and declared war.

The entire conflict stems from their inability to accept peaceful coexistence.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Tell all that to the Irgun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun and Lehi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group).

Jesus, this is like the output from chatgpt with the input being "How can I communicate that I don't have knowledge about the history of the Levant without saying I know nothing about the history of the region"

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What are the specific demands Hamas has made that Blinken finds unacceptable?

According to the reports, Secretary of State Antony Blinken finds some of Hamas's latest demands regarding the proposed cease-fire agreement unacceptable, though the specific demands are not explicitly stated. However, we can infer a few key sticking points from the information provided:

Hamas insists on a permanent cease-fire and complete Israeli withdrawal from Gaza before releasing the remaining hostages, while Israel aims to dismantle Hamas's military capabilities first.[1]
Hamas fears that if it releases hostages during the initial six-week phase of the plan, Israel may resume hostilities once its most vulnerable captives are released.[1]
Hamas has rejected key elements of the UN-backed truce deal that Israel had previously agreed to.[5][3]
Hamas demands an end to the ongoing Israeli aggression and siege on Gaza as a precondition for entering into negotiations for a "complete agreement" that includes a comprehensive prisoner exchange deal.[5]

So while the specific unacceptable demands are not explicitly stated, Blinken seems to take issue with Hamas's insistence on permanent concessions upfront before any phased implementation, as well as their rejection of elements already agreed upon in the proposed deal.[1][3][5]

Citations: [1] Hamas Made Unacceptable Changes to Cease-Fire Plan, Blinken ... https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000009517335/blinken-gaza-israel-hamas-cease-fire.html [2] Blinken Casts Doubt on Cease-Fire Hopes After Hamas Responds https://www.bloomberg.com/tosv2.html?url=L25ld3MvYXJ0aWNsZXMvMjAyNC0wNi0xMi9ibGlua2VuLXNheXMtaGFtYXMtcy1jZWFzZS1maXJlLXJlc3BvbnNlLW1lYW5zLXdhci13aWxsLWNvbnRpbnVl&uuid=142470c8-28be-11ef-b9fe-c854ea576c23 [3] Hamas response to peace deal unworkable, warns Blinken https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/06/12/hamas-response-to-peace-deal-unworkable-warns-blinken/ [4] Blinken Says Hamas's Cease-Fire Response Means War Will ... https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/blinken-says-hamas-s-cease-fire-response-means-war-will-continue-1.2084228 [5] Hamas says it will not enter negotiations unless Israel stops war on ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/30/hamas-says-it-will-not-enter-negotiations-unless-israel-stops-war-on-gaza

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Including the resolution text:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2735

The Security Council,

Reaffirming the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

Recalling all its relevant resolutions on the situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian question,

Underscoring the importance of the ongoing diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Qatar, and the United States aimed at reaching a comprehensive ceasefire deal, consisting of three phases,

Welcomes the new ceasefire proposal announced on May 31, which Israel accepted, calls upon Hamas to also accept it, and urges both parties to fully implement its terms without delay and without condition;

Notes that the implementation of this proposal would enable the following outcomes to spread over three phases:

(a) Phase 1: an immediate, full, and complete ceasefire with the release of hostages including women, the elderly and the wounded, the return of the remains of some hostages who have been killed, the exchange of Palestinian prisoners, withdrawal of Israeli forces from the populated areas in Gaza, the return of Palestinian civilians to their homes and neighborhoods in all areas of Gaza, including in the north, as well as the safe and effective distribution of humanitarian assistance at scale throughout the Gaza Strip to all Palestinian civilians who need it, including housing units delivered by the international community;

(b) Phase 2: upon agreement of the parties, a permanent end to hostilities, in exchange for the release of all other hostages still in Gaza, and a full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza; and

(c) Phase 3: the start of a major multi-year reconstruction plan for Gaza and the return of the remains of any deceased hostages still in Gaza to their families;

Underlines that the proposal says if the negotiations take longer than six weeks for phase one, the ceasefire will still continue as long as negotiations continue, and welcomes the readiness of the United States, Egypt, and Qatar to work to ensure negotiations keep going until all the agreements are reached and phase two is able to begin;

Stresses the importance of the parties adhering to the terms of this proposal once agreed and calls upon all Member States and the United Nations to support its implementation;

Rejects any attempt at demographic or territorial change in the Gaza Strip, including any actions that reduce the territory of Gaza;

Reiterates its unwavering commitment to the vision of the two-State solution where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders, consistent with international law and relevant UN resolutions, and in this regard stresses the importance of unifying the Gaza Strip with the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority;

Decides to remain seized of the matter.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Permanent vs temporary ceasefire isn't virtually identical lmao.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Oh cool, Blinken is sabotaging it so Bibi doesn't have to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I’m sure it’s all terrible. That being said, Blinken in the thumbnail looks esoterically scrumptious.

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