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The number of deaths in ICE custody is already more than double all of last year (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

The article suggests that the issues occur most in private detention centers, and argues that ill detainees should be relocated to healthcare facilities. Private detention centers most certainly should be abolished, and not just for ICE detainees.

The article also states they have been 10 deaths in FY 2024 according to ICE.gov, however the website only shows 6. I’m guessing the website is not updated, but the article only identifies two deaths since January, making the total 8. I haven’t found information on the other two deaths reported elsewhere.

Here are the number of deaths by fiscal year from ICE.gov:

FY 2024 - 6 (10 reported by NBC)

FY 2023 - 4

FY 2022 - 3

FY 2021 - 5

FY 2020 - 21

FY 2019 - 8

FY 2018 - 6

www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for posting the actual numbers. This article is pretty shitty imo. I read it just to see if they even included them (I guess, to their credit, at least they did that).

4,3,5 and 10(even though the govt is reporting 6) over the last 4 years.

So even assuming 10 is correct, using the "more than doubled" almost seems like journalistic malpractice. At best it's click-bait garbage. Where was the "ICE sees 25% drop in in-custody deaths" article a few years ago?

Should we watch it to see if it's a broader trend? Yea, probably. Is this necessarily indicative of anything nefarious? No.

There could be (and likely are) legitimate reasons for the increase that have nothing to do with "ICE bad". Like maybe, people coming in already sick, maybe an older demographic, unvaccinated people, etc etc. or literally just random fucking chance.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (12 children)

Why are we keeping them in such poor conditions if they're already sick? Why aren't they in hospitals?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The numbers are interesting and I bet the 2020 number is very high because of covid, but them comparing total deaths might be statistical deception.

How old were the people who died? What were the causes of death? Did the total amount of people in detention stay consistent over time?

According to the article, a few of the ones listed are pretty young, but they didn't show causes of death.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Trump's next rally:

"I can do better!"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Crazy thought, but maybe it's not the President in charge. Maybe it's the record high heat and the deplorable conditions of confinement.

Maybe we shouldn't be holding these people in concentration camps to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised? He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump's abuses of detainees and instead he's treated Trump's conditions as a record to beat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised?

Sounds like pie-in-the-sky leftist agitprop to me.

He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.

Everyone knows that a Democratic President doesn't have the same authority as a Republican President.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

So fun fact. On my phone I have you tagged as sarcastic. But on my computer I haven't figured out how to tag people yet.

But yes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

ICE is controlled by the department of Homeland Security, which is under the executive branch. As we remember from civics class, the president is directly responsible for the executive branch. The president is responsible for the atrocities at the border.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are you telling me that the current President - Joe Biden - is responsible for a rising tide of migrants dying from heat exposure in ICE detainment centers?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yes. Who else?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You'd think that would make Republicans like Biden...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (34 children)

Yeah, sorry, four years of Trump vs. four years of Biden should really have put to rest the idea that both parties are the same, even if they sometimes support the same bad policies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I mean to be fair the Democrats trotted out an obscenely draconian immigration bill that was basically every Republicans wet dream about the border and the only reason it didn't pass was because it included Ukraine funding and the Republicans didn't want to give Biden a win.

Call me crazy, but giving the Republicans everything they want just to gain small concessions is bonkers and makes it seem like Democrats really don't have that much of a problem with horrific policies that Republicans want.

The Democrats leaned on DREAMers for like a decade and were going to fucking throw them under the bus with that border bill in a way that screamed "Political capital is used up, fuck them DREAMers!"

They are not the same but Democrats spend way too much time trying to make deals with people who only want to hurt them and others so they can be seen "reaching across the aisle."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm pretty sure they did that knowing the Republicans would reject it. It was political brinksmanship.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

The Senate Democrats also reintroduced the bill on its own, and let the Republicans vote against it. This was absolutely a political move on their part, letting the GOP tear itself apart arguing about whether they should've voted for or against it. They're taking advantage of the existing tensions and divisions within the party to weaken them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

and brinskmanship is a good thing? That's how you catch the car and end up the villain. It's the brinksmanship that Republicans played for a decade that led to Donald Trump getting elected. Do not make the mistake of thinking the Democrats are somehow immune to that effect.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How do you think we got here exactly?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reagan

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And who did nothing to fix it since exactly?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

An election nearly four years ago? What a strange question.

Now, please explain to me how Judge Jackson would be the same sort of justice Trump would have nominated to SCOTUS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

How come SCOTUS is so fucked exactly? Who could have done something to fix it in the forty plus years we've known this was an issue an didn't?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

The general lack of empathy for these people is disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I mean, what this actually says is there's been a year within the last five that was worse. Obviously nobody should be dying and frankly ICE should not exist and murica just needs to stop pretending it's so special since it's such shit to begin with, but "within the range of the last five years" is just a boring angle to write an article from.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

5, 3, 4,then 10 deaths in the past four years including 2024, all inmates were given medical and dental, psychological support and there are two causes of death of in the article unknown, which is probably the most cause for concern.

I looked it up.

The two unknown are undergoing investigations now, standard practice in ICE to investigate cause of death

8 of the deaths since 2018 resulted from covid in at-risk populations, 9 from suicide, which I think is a little higher than the american average of 14 per 100,000 people, but some of these people left notes saying that if they might be sent back then they're going to kill themselves, so... More high stakes, more pressure in a lot of these situations obviously.

Most of the covid deaths were in high risk patients, the elderly or chronically ill with kidney issues or the like.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So basically, you just did more legwork than the journalist that published this article and there isn't a big story here. Maybe if those 2 deaths come back "omg aliens killed them" we'd have a story.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It looks like they just wanted to say double the deaths and hope somebody gasped.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

10 deaths versus 4.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics....

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Build The Wall Back Better, my harm reduction vote in action :')

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Pigs thrive in environments that encourage violence

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