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[–] [email protected] 97 points 6 months ago (11 children)

I'm one of the 5-10%. I always sucked at verbal memory tasks. Didn't know some people have an real, interpretable internal monologue until a few years ago. I thought thinking nonverbally was the default. I even specifically remember watching shows and movies where you listen to a character's internal internal monologue and thinking "this is dumb, that's not how thinking works". Turns out it is, and I'm just in the minority! Now I make an effort to manually start an internal monologue when I'm doing anything that requires a lot of verbal processing, like listening to instructions at work. It helps, but I can still tell that I have a deficit compared to most people when it comes to those things.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Your anecdote seems to support that it's a learned behavior/skill, which tracks for me. I have a very active internal dialogue that's difficult to turn off. I say dialogue instead of monologue because I often make up "other voices" that bounce ideas off each other, and this generally happens without my conscious effort. I think I developed this because as I was growing up I was encouraged to pray regularly, and I was very fanatically religious as a kid so I did so as often as I could. I prayed silently so often in fact that my thoughts were basically a constant one-sided monologue directed to god. Whenever I would daydream or let my imagination wander I would imagine god responding, and eventually the constant monologue became a dialogue. I would work out problems or make decisions by having conversations with an imaginary god. When I stopped believing in god the second voice never went away, I just started recognizing it as my own.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Okay, now I have to know if religious individuals are more likely to have an inner voice. That just makes sense!!!

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 6 months ago (27 children)

I’ve seen this conversation come up so many times and I’m never not fascinated by it. I have a nonstop internal monologue, it can be exhausting really. But I can’t fully wrap my head around thinking without it

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I have ADHD, it's like having talk radio permanently on in my head. Often times I'll have an internal monologue playing on top of internal background music.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Me too. People like you are fascinating to me. When I first found out that everyone thinks differently I went around interrogating everyone I knew about how they think.

I don't have an interior monologue unless Im typing, but I sometimes use my internal "sound system" to play music.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

My inner monologue can easily turn into me talking to myself.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I recently learned that some people do hear a voice in their head. Some see pictures too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (15 children)

So, if you study a map of a building, noticing that it has a kitchen at a certain place, then in go inside the building (without the map), and someone says "go to the kitchen," how do you know where the kitchen is? How do you imagine the paths, rooms, hallways to follow?

If I told you "a pink and brown dog," you can't "see" that dog in your mind at all?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago

The map would be tough. If someone showed me the map and said, go to the kitchen, I would try remember, turn left then right then its around to the left. I would remember it in words, not visually.

Brown and pink dog...in my mind I see a hazy face of a poodle with fluffy pink ears. I can't see the full dog. I can't walk around the image and explore it more. Its just a hazy partial visual that flashes in my mind for a moment.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Not op, but I have a very weak ability to visualise. The data is more abstracted. A map is a set of spacial connections that define an area. My brain has learnt to pull that from a map. What I can't do is recall the map to figure out additional information. If my brain didn't think it was relevant when I looked at it, the information is likely gone.

There are definitely pros and cons to it. I'm not limited to what I could visualise, when thinking. This lets me dig deeper into more complex ideas and patterns. It also makes other tasks a lot harder. I struggle a lot with faces and appearances.

As for the dogs, I have an abstracted "model" in my mind. The size and breed of the dogs is undefined. There are 2 dog entities in my mind. 1 brown, which is quite generic, the other has pink attached to it, that cross links it with poodles etc.

I can personally push it to a visualisation, but it takes significant mental effort, and the results are unstable.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For the longest time I assumed it was just a literary device, not an actual thing anyone really does.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (29 children)

So, if I tell you "I'll give you $10,000 for you to spend in 24 hours. Spend 20 seconds to think about it," what goes through your head? Don't you hear anything like "shit, that's a lot of money?! Where to start, where to start..."?

Don't you "have words" in your head to form thoughts?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Only 1-3% of people lack the ability to visualize images in their head.

Somewhat related, I recently realized I can't really remember the taste of food at all. I can remember the texture of the food, and whether I liked it or not, but not how it actually tastes. For example, I know I like chocolate but I have no desire to eat it most of the time because I can't remember anything about the taste except for the texture. But once I start eating chocolate and have the taste lingering in my mouth, I find myself craving more of it until the taste fades and I forget what it tasted like again.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"Weirdos. I don't have an inner voice", most people thought, using their inner voice.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Some inner voice talking to me all time sounds fucking awful haha

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago

If it's a different person than you, then you have a different issue ;-).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Eh, it isn't all the time for most people, and it isn't hard to shut down for most people either.

The key is that it isn't a separate entity, it's just your own mind using words to ideate. Like, you can see the sky and just enjoy the blue, or you can think about the blue in words, if you have that inner voice. People without that voice still have a way of processing and thinking, it just isn't in words, it's more abstract.

The few people I've met that don't think in words do seem to have difficulty in expressing the experience to others though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (17 children)

As someone with an inner voice, I can't even imagine how I'd think about abstract concepts without words. Like, how does "I love freedom" or "I wish all people could be free" happen without words? Maybe this is a learning disability of mine, and explains why interpretive dance doesn't make any sense to me.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The FBI did a study and most serial killers don't have an inner monologue... You can add that to the TIL.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Sometimes I wish I could silence the voices inside my head..

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

God, same. One of my little annoyances in life is that my internal voice is a goddamn motor mouth and I literally CANNOT stop it.

I can stare at a white wall and watch paint dry, and my monologue will start philosophizing about watching paint dry, where the phrase came from, why I'm doing it (to try and silence my internal voice), then go on a wiki walk about how trying not to think about something makes you think about it more and the classic example of telling someone "don't think about a brown bear" makes them think about bears, then I'll start thinking about bears and my monologue is suddenly halfway across the world.

Put me in a sensory deprivation tank, and my internal voice starts ruminating about how Daredevil uses these to sleep, then goes off about fight sequences, and then superhero comics, and whoops I'm halfway across the world.

Even when I'm paying attention and listening, my inner voice is still motoring away, it's just that it's mirroring what is being said to me instead of going on its own wiki walk halfway across the world (though sometimes someone will say something that makes my internal voice go "wait a second, that makes me think of..." and then I stop listening while I go on a wiki walk).

I have ADHD, in case it isn't obvious yet.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Now I am reading everything alout with my inner voice instead of just skipping over it. I've entered manual reading mode. Great. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

The guy in my head is my best friend and the biggest asshole ever.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I feel like if I had an inner voice I'd get super annoyed at it.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Oh I assure you, you would. Try going to sleep with that mf'r just yapping.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Wait, do people have an actual vocalized inner monologue every time they think?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Every time?

No.

Easy example; picture an item in your head. Now flip it.

No language necessary or really even applicable.

But to learn that some people never have an inner dialogue...? That sounds so weird.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Some people can’t picture an item in their head, or can barely do so and wouldn’t be able to flip it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Apparently. I first learned about this last year when a co-worker told me to listen to my inner voice. I said, " oh yeah, like Sybil or Jiminy cricket?" I thought she was kidding. Then I thought she was crazy. Then 2/3 of my office said they hear it too. People who hear don't believe that other people don't, and vice versa. People are always trying to trick me into saying I hear something by asking me how I know the sound of my husband's voice or recognize a song, or get a song stuck in my head. When I have a song stuck in my head it's just the urge to sing it and there's no music. I can recognize actors by their voice sometimes, but I cannot do impressions or accents at all!

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (8 children)

It has its uses, helpful for remembering a short sequence of numbers for instance, or practicing a specific dialogue line that is going to be important, like for a job interview or something where you want a solid and confident delivery. But generally speaking I prefer it quiet, makes it infinitely easier to pay attention to my surroundings.

Meditation is basically the practice of learning how to turn it off at will. Can take awhile, it doesn't always seem to like being quiet. It also turns off other times though, like when you're suddenly startled for instance.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I have a non-verbal inner voice which gives meta-commentary on my verbal inner voice. If I want to think about what I'm thinking, that's what is going on.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

How do they read silently to themselves? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

It's like I just "know" the text. It's just in there with no intermediary.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

I always thought only mentally ill people (schizophrenic) have inner voice(s) that is until I learned everyone else has so it’s me that I am not normal lol

I feel like it makes grammar harder tbh. I have to edit shit again and again if I want it to look good for you nerds.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have both an inner voice and strong imagery. I cannot imagine any other way. I assume that people on the opposite end would see my mind as massive chaos though.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My inner monologue is an asshole that literally never shuts up unless I'm asleep. If I'm not actively thinking about something and conversing with him or keeping him otherwise distracted, he's singing a snippet of the last catchy song he heard, over and over, until a new one takes its place. Sometimes it's the same song for days on end.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm almost the exact opposite. I hear everything when I think. I don't picture 99.9% of my thoughts. I think in sounds. Not all thoughts are languages, but all thoughts are sounds. Even the very very few I have pictured. The thoughts in languages are numerous at a time and constant, as though forever lightning in bottle. I love it. It sounds kind of like the matrix looks.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wow l, i didnt know this was a thing. I'm the visual version of this - which i already know sucks less.

I wonder whether you don't get songs stuck in your head... like as a consolation prize at least?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I wonder what causes this? Genetics, random, maybe issues during speech development as a child?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (15 children)

i still don't understand what the fuck an internal monologue is supposed to be.

I've heard it's the thing that makes you do things, i've heard it's a thing that just exists.

I don't know what it is, what it does, or what it seems to be for, and i don't even know whether i have one.

Science is a bitch sometimes.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's basically just you talking to yourself but without actually speaking.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

if that's how it's defined than i think i have some sort of weird hybrid of it. I have an internal monologue for certain things, like if im working on a project and need a design for it, that'll cause me problems. But if i'm just sitting down and thinking about something, i'm usually talking it out. For example i've been into sociology a bit recently, and i've found myself talking out loud about things very frequently.

weird.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What about like reading comments, do you inner monologue the comment?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Honestly I'd kind of like that in some ways. Language is actually pretty limiting, so not being stuck with it for thinking would make some thoughts easier to convey to yourself.

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