this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2023
764 points (96.9% liked)

Technology

59575 readers
3933 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 352 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The reason for the shift? Stewart and Apple executives "had disagreements over some of the topics and guests," the sources said. Specifically, they claimed Stewart told staffers that Apple execs took issue with planned programming related to both China and artificial intelligence, and noted that with the 2024 US election coming up, there might have been additional opportunities for disagreement then.

Shows like this should have zero input from executives. If you are not willing to let the show have free rein, you don’t deserve to host the show.

Hopefully Jon Stewart does something else with less corporate oversight.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I was so excited to have him back and so let down when he was cancelled. I really do hope he goes somewhere else

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I hope he leans into his podcast. IMHO, The Problem’s podcast was better than the show.

The podcast was just as effective at highlighting issues of importance, but it was a bit more fun, and it commented more on the weekly news.

IMHO, the podcast did a better job of scratching my 2000’s Daily Show itch. The TV show was fine, but it felt like an even heavier version of Last Week Tonight. It wasn’t a show I could watch if I had a hard week. It was good, but I often finished it somewhat depressed.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

HBO should make him an offer. Pull him over to chill with John Oliver again like the good old days.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

HBO? Ohh you mean MAX, the hip and cool skateboarding cousin that showed up to HBO's house in season 7 of the "HBO show" with the bodacious sunglasses and the backward hat.

Yeah, I'm sure that guy is jazzy and gnarly enough to support John Stewart.

Radical!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

The Other Problem with John Stewart: Apple is Beholden to China

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

For real. Maybe PBS can afford him.

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 140 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Fuck Apple, let the man speak.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This feels like corporate shortsightedness; Apple sees a huge overlap in John Stewart and their own core user base so it seems like an easy win to give him a show that does the investigative journalism that endeared him in the first place. But then he start asking questions about the stock market and poking at potential investors and outside pressure is pushing internal executive conversations that eventually realize the millions they can make by keeping him on the air is nothing compared to the billions lost of investors start pulling out and draining the Apple stock price.

Apple's only identity at this point is the billions it makes from an over valued stock price. Mr. Stewart threatened it. So capitalism happened.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 year ago

As usual Jon shows that he is a man of principles. Fuck apple.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Between this on Apple TV+ and Netflix cancelling Patriot Act with Hassan Minaj, it seems there is definitely a big issue with profit driven platforms worried about pissing off actual nations by literally just stating facts.

I hope Jon Stewart can do a deal with another platform and make this kind of content again. But I doubt any big names will want to after this.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Where can he go? Haven't we turned every platform into profit seeking machines. Any places that could have supported this type of media got chocked out long ago.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

I would love a Jon Stewart PBS tote bag.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless John Oliver is next to get the can, HBO has always been a safe spot for true free speech, and he really pushes the envelope. But they may not have room in their schedule for two shows like his.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

He's doing it for fun at this point. He can post on Oddysea/Peertube/etc... and be completely out of just about anyone's jurisdiction.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Between this on Apple TV+ and Netflix cancelling Patriot Act with Hassan Minaj, it seems there is definitely a big issue with profit driven platforms worried about pissing off actual nations by literally just stating facts.

For profit corporate owned platforms really are starting to show their limitations at this point. Eventually I think we're going to need a lot more self hosted, possibly federated, platform hosting if we want to address the limitations imposed by a single for profit platform owner driven by engagement and beholden to investors.

Apple deplatforming Stewart is the same issue as Musk tanking Twatter or YouTube demonetizing small content creators because it's profitable - a privately owned platform with the sole goal of maximizing profit and investment income doesn't advance the cause of free discussion for the public good.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

The problem isn't hosting its paying for production of content. His existing stuff will probably stay up and I find it unlikely that YouTube will take down the mean things John Oliver has said about China. The issue is shows with that amount of research and production is that they need a lot of money to produce content.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This would happen at Amazon or Netflix or Disney, too. Apple’s not special in not wanting to piss off the CCP

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

John Oliver doesn't seem to have a problem with HBO/Max

Colbert seems to struggle more with the FCC regulations on what he can't say and show more than what CBS wants. It's less often now but at the start of his Late Show he really appeared to be mean to CBS on-air specifically to prove that they didn't have a presence in his writers room.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

HBO doesn’t have a hardware business dependent upon China

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

eh, wth would netlfix or amazon care what china thinks??

apple has major physical investment in china.... thats the conflict of interest here. a media conglomerate changing the story because businessmonies.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Netflix is a bad example, but Amazon and Disney do a lot of business with China. Amazon has e-commerce and web services offerings in china. Also they, like Apple, manufacture a LOT of shit there. Disney is simpler. They want to sell their media in China.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They all want access to the Chinese market.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago

Good on Stewart for not being a corporate shill. Fuck Apple!

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Won't someone think of the poor billion dollar corporations!!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What a badly written article. It's like an article that had a point that got forgotten 2/3rds through and then just ends. If you've read the NYT article, this adds literally zero information. It's a poorly executed paraphrase.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't watch the show (because I don't have Apple+) but I'm still really disappointed because he had a podcast companion that I listened to, and the man and his writers and researchers are sharp as fuck. It was so incisive, and I really admired how he was bringing what felt like Eugene Debbs and Studs Terkel levels of socialism but without ever using those words.

I also liked how the show clearly had diverse voices, but it didn't seem to pander or brag about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Podcast was really really good. I preferred it to the show. I hope he continues to explore that format.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

they should just make an AI John Stewart and deep fake the video so they can have all the clout John brings without the potential trouble John's rational and thoughtful dialogue also brings

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

On a separate note (or possibly related), I just couldn't get into this show. I love Stewart and watched daily show for years. I found the problem with... Problem was that it had a fear that the content wasn't good enough to stand on it's own so there was this constant barrage of quips that frequently fell flat. Maybe the show got better over time (I only caught the first 3 or 4 episodes).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Daily Show was mostly upbeat and highlighted the absurdity of politics even when they were covering serious topics, so the jokes seemed to flow pretty naturally. In The Problem Jon Stewart would oscillate between serious/morose to a few jokes and back again, it was giving me thematic whiplash and I couldn't hang with it either. I think Last Week Tonight is The Daily Show's spiritual successor.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Man have you not watched last week? Morose and serious is like how I would define it. Oliver even made a joke last week about how 'if I'm talking about something it's probably horrible and tragic'.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bummer. Apple has had some of the best streaming content right now. IMHO, it’s what HBO should’ve been. This is definitely puts a black eye on the service for me.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Its cancellation sheds some light on the conflict of priorities Apple faces as it leans more into content rather than just selling tools, platforms, and gadgets.

The New York Times article cites "several people with knowledge of the situation," saying that staffers working on the show were told at the end of the day Thursday that it would not move forward.

Specifically, they claimed Stewart told staffers that Apple execs took issue with planned programming related to both China and artificial intelligence, and noted that with the 2024 US election coming up, there might have been additional opportunities for disagreement then.

Regarding China, Apple execs may have been worried that Stewart's planned commentary could alienate customers or partners in the country.

Primarily, it uses machine learning to drive things like search suggestions, photography, and palm detection.

The show's cancellation is indicative of the kinds of challenges owners of platforms (like Apple, Amazon, Google, and others) face when they are producing content, too.


The original article contains 440 words, the summary contains 162 words. Saved 63%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›