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Son, we need to have a serious talk! (lemmy.world)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The bear is honest, either it eats you or it fucks off. The bear would never pretend to be friendly to gain your trust, or pretend to fuck off and instead stalk you for days. I can more accurately surmise a bears intentions than i can for any random man because all the bear could possibly want out of me is a meager amount of food.

Men getting angry about this are being upset by the possibility that they could potentially be considered threatening, by a completely uninformed third party nonetheless. And their chosen recourse is to demonstrate threatening behavior.

Some men are real snowflakes tbh

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is terrible logic to go by.

If you generalise half the population and insult them then of course people are going to be mad at you.

This is like some boomer saying "All feminists are easily offended lesbians that just like to shout out people"

Then smugly being like "haha you proved my point" when a femininst rightly takes issue with that statement.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you generalise half the population and insult them then of course people are going to be mad at you.

As a random man I don't feel insulted by this at all. I would also rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man. The bear is more predictable in preferring to have nothing to do with me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would also rather be in the woods with a random bear than a random man.

Theres literally no way you genuinely believe this right?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I literally expanded on my reasons in the other reply.

There are literally a bunch of posts from other people explaining their reasons for preferring random bear as well.

The fact that a random man can be told multiple times "I don't know you well enough to be comfortable with this," with explanations, and they will still respond with "there's no way you actually mean the words you are saying" is a big contributing factor.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What do you think will happen if you tell the bear you arnt comfortable with being attacked

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It's very possible to communicate to a bear that you aren't threatening them and that you aren't prey or worth attacking. I recommend looking up "what to do if you encounter a bear in the woods."

It seems to be very difficult to communicate to you that I would be uncomfortable encountering you alone in the woods.

So yes, the bear is probably a better listener.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Cool. But I really think your reasons are complete bullshit.

Like take your last paragraph, you actually think that because some men don't listen to reasonable arguments you would rather be with a violent and wild animal that is physically incapable of listening to reason?

Seriously you're either actually insane or you're just bullshiting to try and prove a point that you've already committed to without actually thinking it through.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is also an indicator of the world’s best insult as per the comic Basic Instructions:

“I find you argumentative and easily offended.”

Basically no one is allowed to respond to it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Can't a simple answer be: "You're wrong" ?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it's because i'm a man, but this trend saddens me. I don't often see what the other gender thinks of us, but the fact that a big part of us are a bother that all off us should be seen as more dangerous than a bear. Damn...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's because casual misandry is socially acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not entirely. It's also because men have historically been bad about telling creepy and misogynistic men to back off and shut the fuck up.

I would sooner see men step up and call out the bad actors -- and I say that as a man who's done so. Don't teach your daughters that they need to be wary about what they wear, teach your sons to respect and not rape women.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would sooner see men step up and call out the bad actors

And I would be happy to join you in doing this, but this is not the company I keep. In my life I can barely count the number of times I have, or could have, on one hand. Meanwhile, when talking to women about this sort of thing, everyone has awful stories but they all involve people that simply are not a part of their social sphere (and by extension mine) anymore.

I fear that we, as a society, have done such a good job of pushing bad actors out to the margins that we no longer have eyes on the problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not even just that they're at the margins, it's also a math problem. One bad actor can sexually harass hundreds, perhaps even thousands of women over the course of many years. Now make that thousands of men, and see how it's very reasonable that 1 in 2 women or whatever it is have been sexually harassed or assaulted - and that can still be less than 1% of the male population doing it. Anyone who doubts women get harassed or even assaulted often needs to have their head examined. There is a guy in my neighborhood currently who has not been caught who is following women while in his car. The neighborhood listservs are awash with women who have noticed this guy. There was another guy who was groping women on the trail who affected multiple women before they caught him.

And this is not just sex crimes. Recently, they arrested a group of car thieves/car jackers in my area. The four of them were responsible for over two hundred car thefts, and possibly up to three hundred additional unaccounted for crimes. And that's for a very visible crime like stealing a car - imagine the numbers for something like groping someone on a crowded train or bus.

This is why people who say stuff like, "just teach men not to rape" are as insane as saying "just teach minorities not to steal cars". It is a tiny portion of the population having an outsized influence because they can harm multiple people. When you start blaming a group for the actions of a tiny portion of that group, you're just lost.

I mean sure, call out crime in general when you see it, but I have seen this type of harassment probably a dozen times in my life. And it happens all around, dozens of times a day.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

You know I didn't think about it like this. It does make sense though. I think as well it's good to point out that the main recipients of violence and murder are other men, not women. Therefore I am suspicious when women talk about these things and being afraid but men don't. It seems like a double standard.