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Elon Musk says 'we dug our own grave' with the Cybertruck as he warns Tesla faces enormous production challenges
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When things go right, it's "I". When things go wrong, it's "We". These are Musk's situationally preferred pronouns.
No different than Trump
I mean, with Trump it's more like 'They'.
Yeah, Trump won't accept any blame for anything, even when it's obvious to anyone with a functioning nervous system.
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Exactly. Who has the one promoting it? It was you, Elon.
He's very likely the one who pushed the engineers to try to make it work in the first place. They probably tried to warn him of the challenges it was going to face at every step, and he just used the power of arrogance, bullying, & positive-thinking to ignore it and just go full steam ahead with it. He would've just fired anybody that directly challenged him on it and told him what an idiot he is.
Credit for innovation: capitalism. Credit for failures: socialism.
Must be the royal we.
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Wasn’t he the one who made a bunch of ridiculous demands? This car seems like it was designed by Homer Simpson.
In my head it was Elon who sketched the truck and told everyone "make that exactly how I drew it"
No way this thing is soft and yielding like a nerf ball
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That's weird, I could have sworn he said that they nearly had all the issues sorted out and that it was coming next month.. Trying to remember when he said that.. 2021?
Bruh that delay was because of the PLANDEMIC!!111!!
/s
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"When you've got a product with a lot of new technology or any brand new vehicle program, especially one that is as different and advanced as the Cybertruck, you will have problems proportionate to how many new things you're trying to solve at scale," he added.
does it have new technology? i thought it was just like, shockingly ugly?
It's got a lot of new things to them
800v power train
Newer 4680 cells
~85% custom chip controllers (up from 60s on Y)
48v power electronics instead of 12v, which is fairly new to everyone and the supply chain isn't as robust as the 12v one, but long term it's good for industry. (Edit I've heard talk of how they connect everything is going to be very different too, but nothing I've seen confirmed)
Folding the stainless steel at scale
9000T press, biggest one made
The wheels that can turn on front and back
New assembly method (excluding stainless steel part)
I'm sure there's more they didn't tell us.
It went from being a weird vehicle (love or hate it) to a new technology platform.
4 wheel steering isn't really new. (but your point is still taken)
I did say "to them"
800v isn't new either, others use it
Edit: stainless steel aside, I have a suspicion that the 48v stuff will cause the most problems. That seems like a lot of suppliers where 1 problem halts the line.
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For a company with already terrible QC that’s a lot more things to go wrong for buyers unfortunately
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It took a lot of work to make windows that shatter so easily.
First you have to mass produce a lot of cannon balls, hire people and train them to throw the cannon ball perfectly so the broken window looks perfect.
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Gee... telling the engineers to getting precision to below 10 microns would cause production challenges.
I've been doing PCB-board design recently. Here's the manufactuering specs: https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/dkred
So that's 0.13mm tolerances to my printed-circuit board. Or 130 microns.
Current leading theory is that Elon Musk is such an ignorant dumbass that he doesn't know the difference between mils and microns, despite running a car company / manufacturing firm. Give that a thought. Even then, 10-mils tolerance is near this PCB design, an object that's only a few inches in size. Cars are much larger and normally should be built to much wider tolerances than a fucking PCB board.
It's almost like Elon Musk is a complete fucking moron and not an Engineer. The wanker has never actually designed a thing in his life. He just tells other people to design something, or buys an existing company, then struts around like he thinks he's the smartest thing around.
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If he said <10 mils, I'd might have bought the explanation that Elon actually meant millimetres. Micron is a very specific metric-based unit which to Elon might have been trying to use like a buzzword.
The moral of the story is don't say stupid engineering stuff if you don't want engineers to laugh at you.
And 10 microns at what temperature? Because on something the size of a car, made of mixed materials, thermal expansion of less than a degree is going to blow that figure.
They couldn't apply paint to a tolerance of 10microns.
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Lmao “if Lego and soda cans can do this, so can we.” At least he found materials similar to his existing vehicle build quality
"At this point I think I know more about manufacturing than anyone currently alive on Earth."
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You'd think the guy claiming to "know more about manufacturing than anyone else on Earth" would have anticipated such issues at the start of the design process.
Good. Jump in.
*invents stupid and logicitally impossible truck.
*Production challenges
Weird, Ford and Rivian both seem to be able to make an EV pickup truck.
And GM, the epitome of "slow and bloated legacy dinosaur", who in the time since Tesla announced the cYbErTrUcK, managed to design AND RELEASE a truck before Tesla even had prototypes. At this rate, I think they'll technically have 3 different trucks out before a single cYbErTrUcK is sold.
The automotive giants always could have outpaced Tesla, they just didn’t want to because until it was viable with enough consumer interest (and competition), it was cheaper to only produce fossil fuel vehicles (and lobby against electric vehicles at every turn)
. Cybertruck.
The real story is that a million people have reserved this thing.
Given that I had dumbass coworkers at work who gleefully dropped $500 to "reserve" one of each trim, despite not even being able to even afford the cheapest trim (which will never even come close to existing with the listed price+specs), I'm not betting that it's probably 1/4 of that, and about 1/4 of those will ever actually translate to purchases.
When I was a kid, I asked my dad why the cars on the road didn't look like any of the prototype cars I saw in autoshows or car books.
Now Elon has given me the answer. Those cars are hard to make at scale. One is doable, but thousands is impossible.
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Who could have known that traditional manufacturers who have been building cars for decades have reasons to do it the way they did?
Surely not the man who reinvented the subway (but shitty) reinvented content moderation (but shitty) and reinvented the car (but shitty).
How come "normal" Teslas with traditional coachwork are selling, well not great, but good and every time Musk thinks he's the genius who'll singlehandedly completely reinvent a very competitive product he just creates a worse version?
I actually thought this was an elaborate joke. The "Cybertruck" looks like a piece of shit, and apparently is a piece of shit.
There is exactly one reason I cancelled my tesla you stupid Muskrat.
I cannot believe it, this coming from the man who knows more about production and manufacturing than anyone alive! For sure the Genius of Musk will find a solution to overcome this.
Like when he demanded 10um tolerance for the assembly of the cybershmuck nobody understood and they said it's impossible. But he realised, he realised early on that the mail will leak and idiots will take it as an argument of quality and performance and be motivated to throw money at him. Conmen need money inflow to keep the scheme going.
/s or not ...
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