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Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection. 

Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.

He died after two weeks in critical condition, his aunt Carol Parsons said.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 6 months ago (2 children)

All these accidental coincidence deaths starting to remind me of a certain Eurasia country

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago

...but with no windows involved.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

At least these people dont shoot themselves twice in the back of the head and then fall out a window.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

And then shoot themselves twice in the back of the head again, bc sometimes a statement just needs to be made.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 6 months ago (4 children)

So uhh this is awkward. But this is their second whistleblower to die? At what point do we uhhh investigate this?

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Wait… is this an older death… or is it another Boeing whistleblower?

[–] [email protected] 86 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Second. John Barnett was the first in early March.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay. Just making sure.

It’s not suspicious at all that two whistleblowers wind up dead, or nuthin.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Dean became ill and went to the hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA.

Hmm, there's nothing more specific on the "having trouble breathing"... possibly suspicious, but also possibly an allergic reaction... for all we know he was stung by a bee or something.

MRSA is unfortunately not suspicious at all, it is far too commonly acquired in hospitals.

MRSA is also a leading cause of hospital-acquired and ventilator-associated pneumonia. Hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP), or nosocomial pneumonia, is characterized as pneumonia developing 48 hours or more after hospital admission, indicating that it was not incubating at the time of admission. Ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) is defined as pneumonia developing 48 hours or more after implementation of endotracheal intubation and mechanical ventilation and was not present before intubation. The microbiological etiology of these two conditions is similar and carries grave prognosis associated with poor overall outcomes.

National Library of Medicine: MRSA

In the larger context of the Boeing incidents, this death seems suspicious. But the circumstances of this death aren't very suspicious otherwise, this could easily have been a minor issue that became fatal due to a hospital-acquired staph infection. It's probably a bad idea to jump to conclusions.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

90% odds on first whistleblower death being murder

10% odds on this death being murder

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

10% odds on this death being murder

The odds of a a 45 year old man dying in the US within a one year period of time is 0.134% based on the 2017 US Social Security actuarial tables. Given that he died within the 75 days of the other murdered whistleblower the odds are of that being natural are

P(75 days) = 1 - (1 - 0.00134) ^ (75/365.25)

Which equals 0.0275% or 1 in 3630.

I have shown you my homework, please show me yours.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

🏆

Actuarial Winrar

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, there’s nothing more specific on the “having trouble breathing”

Because it was almost certainly COVID but they didn't test for it, or didn't release it as a cause of death.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, I wasn't going to bring up COVID because I can only handle so many conspiracy nuts at a time, but this does seem like a possibility. There doesn't seem to be recent data.

The pneumonia and infection could have made COVID testing impossible or just low priority compared to the life-threatening issues, so we probably won't get a definite answer on that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Unfortunately getting pneumonia and it going septic is not an uncommon occurrence. Once you are septic if you don't get the right antibiotics in you quickly you'll go into septic shock which has a 40% mortality rate.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The only conspiracy theory I can bring to the table is that MRSA is probably easy to weaponize. A nurse or visitor could have easily deployed a dirty tactic such as just visiting a patient with MRSA at another hospital and then coming to this hospital to visit the victim. Just touching infected areas of one patient and then touching vulnerable areas on the victim is enough.

This is why you don't want to end up in a hospice where there's a history of MRSA. You will eventually get it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you know any major hospitals that don't have some history of MRSA?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Data not found.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Someone with a lot of money probably did something extremely heinous... that, or a PR team just landed the absolute worst coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I haven't heard anyone irl talking about Boeing recently, and barely even saw anything online a week after the initial death. While it pisses me off to no end, this incident will blow over just as easily for Boeing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I doubt that as people are scared to fly in Boeing planes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If you're in the US, you have very few non-Boeing options. Especially if you're trying to pick affordable flights.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, if anything, I expect people to book whatever flights they were already going to book, and just crack jokes like "I hope I make it!"

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

Yep. That settles it, we are definitely in a fucked up gilded age.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yup that's what I've been calling it the Shitty Gilded Age 2

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

~~Electric~~ ai boogaloo?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I wish so bad I could get gold stars or bonus points for having been talking about gilded age II as soon as I learned what gilded age I was. Unfortunately, all I've gotten so far is inflation

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago

Uh-oh. This is bad news for Boeing. They better offer a stock buyback just in case.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A local politician in my area died recently of an unknown infection. No one will say anything more about it. I realize the Boeing whistleblower was probably a hit. But are we not concerned in general about deadly infections escaping and starting the next pandemic, as if using them for hit jobs weren't bad enough?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago

Certain pathogens can be very deadly but not very easily spread. Perfect for hits.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

That must be a coincidence!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.

Does this infection have a name?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Pnuenonia followed by mrsa.

This one doesn't seem as suspicious as "suicide" in between depositions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In this case the suspicious part is the sudden issue that landed him in the hospital in the first place. The pneumonia and MRSA almost surely came after being admitted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

That's not what killed him though. It would be bizarre for Boeing to use their vast resources to hire some special assassin to... make a guy winded enough to go to the hospital? Feels like hearing zebras over horses to me.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Think I read MRSA in another article

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

Murdered. Josh Dean was murdered.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait wait was this the guy who was transferred to a different project as ‘punishment’ by Boeing or someone else?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This is a new one who died from a sudden and severe MSRA infection…

Both were being represented by the same law firm in the same case against Boeing and Spirit (Boeings contractor for parts and assembly).

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Interesting aside, as I understand it, Spirit Aerosystem is the company that was ultimately contracted to repair the emergency exit door plug issue and failed to properly re-install the securing bolts when they were done.

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