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[–] [email protected] 271 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Could you imagine if the thing that kills HOAs ended up being liability for the actions of their members?

Go Ralph go!

[–] [email protected] 87 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago

Just make sure it isn't visible from the curb.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That would be great, but police can barely take a person's guns away if they aren't actively involved in a crime. I'd be shocked if a court found an HOA to have that power. I'm not against it but I don't even think the Supreme Court of 12 years ago would do for it, much less this Supreme Court.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago (16 children)

It wouldn't be "no guns", it would be "carry this insurance if you have guns" and then fining the people who don't or won't carry the insurance.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

I'd be shocked if a court found an HOA to have that power.

Courts have pretty consistently found that HOA’s have more power than local authorities. That’s why they can set their own laughably restrictive bylaws.

Second amendment violations may not fly, but that’s a constitutionality problem, not a limit specifically on HOAs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I hate HOA's, but some people like them. Regardless of how I feel about HOA's I still think it's dumb as hell that they should have any sort of liability for a member of an hoa doing something like this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

The percentage of people I know that like HOAs is absurdly small, including neighbors and acquaintances from the last HOA I was in. Almost everyone I know hates them but is forced to deal with them because almost every neighborhood has one. Towns require them for new zoning because it allows them to pass the buck on code enforcement and then a handful of people love them because it lets them power trip The vast majority are just stuck with them due to lack of options.

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Good. Adults need to be responsible and held accountable for their actions.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Shh. If there's one thing "responsible gun owners" can't stand, it's being held responsible.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Because intruders always ring your doorbell before breaking in.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Not to justify the actions of the shooter, but ringing the doorbell before breaking in is definitely a thing. It's a means of checking if the house is occupied - if you're just trying to steal things, an unoccupied house is ideal, and if someone answers when you ring, it's easy enough to make up an excuse and walk away.

A much better solution than a gun, though, is a security door (similar to a screen door, but more kick proof).

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago

ringing the doorbell before breaking in is definitely a thing

It’s only a thing because that’s predominantly what “normal” people do. There’s plausible deniability, and it still doesn’t change the fact that almost all people who knock on the door are not breaking in

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I hope this 84 year old piece of shit doesn't die before this case concludes. Hard to believe it's already been more than a year since this happened.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be shocked if somehow the kid lands in jail

[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Considering he's black and in America, he has a good chance of that anyway unfortunately, often for some low-level drug crime that would have gotten a white person at most community service.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Anyways this is part of why I support a legal duty to retreat. If you can shoot anyone on your property some people will do shit like this

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago

Last I saw I thought he was also criminally charged since this was well outside the scope of castle doctrine or no duty to retreat. Both of them require a reasonable threat which was not present.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Funny fact, "Stand your ground" is also the Law in Germany. And in 150 years of German Law there were exactly seven cases where "Stand your ground" was used to defend an violent act.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Make that bitch homeless. The only reason you should ever be homeless for, being a racist POS. Merica's 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago

Go for it, milk that old shmegeggie 'till the teats fall off.

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