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[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

Apple has always been a closed ecosystem, doing things “their way”. When they only sold computers, it was a niche company, with a niche audience. Then they started selling music players and phones, and they became a popular company.

The blue vs green bubble is just an American problem, that still use SMS as their main messaging protocol. The rest of the world use messaging app, like WhatsApp. It’s truly fascinating watching these events from outside the US.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

Originally they focused on computers that could do more for less. They encouraged people to open them up and upgrade or mod them.

It wasn't till the 2000's that they started locking everything down.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

But remember: instead of going with DOS, or a PC compatible system, they developed their own OS. It's always been closed. And doing things "their way".

I've been a Mac user for more than 30 years, and I've always been isolated from the PC ecosystem. No PC Card was ever usable with a Mac, until they changed to Intel processors in 2005, and even then, you didn't have drivers for those, you have to rely on some outside development. You could barely read PC files, and most PCs couldn't read Mac files without external software until Apple changed to Mac OS X in 2001. PC peripherals were incompatible (different connectors and electrical requirements) until Apple introduced USB with the iMac in 1998 (and the PC ecosystem caught up with it).

While Macs were (somewhat) upgradeable, you needed to buy Mac specific parts to do it, made by Apple approved vendors.

So, It's always been a walled garden. I know, I was there before the iPhone, before the iPod. They're doing nothing different from when they started. The difference is in society: internet appeared, and we now expect everything to work with everything. We expect to be interconnected. But Apple? They always liked to be their own thing, to be different ("think different", remember?).

So, it's just normal Apple behaviour. Expecting anything different is not knowing what Apple really is. Fortunately, the EU thinks doing things "the Apple way" is no longer valid, and is forcing them to adopt standards, and don't abuse their position. But they're doing it reluctantly, complaining, and putting a fight.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The way you use "PC" as a synonym for "Windows" proves that you are indeed a long term Mac user.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At least you didn’t call them IBMs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Of course, they are IBM compatibles!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

While the bit about file interoperability may be more windows-specific, there is such a thing as the “PC Ecosystem”. The software has alternatives: dominated by DOS, then Windows, but also available are Linux and the various minor UNIX-likes, but the hardware really is a specific ecosystem based on a specific set of standards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Shhh! Don’t upset them, they don’t know!

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