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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This has already been proven by google security researchers who got several of the big "AI" bots to spit out copyrighted materials and PII from their training data sets which the "AI" creators claimed was not stored.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not stored as the full material though. If a human that can sing a copyrighted song is not considered to have a recording of the copyrighted song in their brain, so too are LLMs able to spit out their training data without having to store them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How do you know what it's storing? I certainly don't, but I know what the security researchers have found that proved it was storing copyrighted material and real people's private info or PII.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You being able to spit people's name and personal details doesn't mean you are keeping a database of those details in your brain. It's all just neurons and the connection between them that can be triggered to extract those details out.

LLMs also attempt to mimic this method of not storing direct information, but tweaking parameters to 'learn' the information. Inside LLMs are just a bunch of parameters that if not well-designed, can be made to spit out what they have learnt. That doesn't mean they store those information as is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's what they tell you about it I'm sure, but what proof do you have?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not just what they tell you. There are plenty of publicly accessible LLM models. Go and download them and open the files up. Surely if they are storing these things as complete data, you can easily find them by poking around the files instead of having to make then spit it out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm aware of the availability of them, I've looked into building a private install of GPT4All. Even though we can look into those files directly, it doesn't prove that the large "AI" systems run by the mega-corps are not storing copyrighted data. The only thing that could prove that is a complete audit of all the data storage that their "AI" systems have access to.

This will likely play out in the courts due to the numerous lawsuits in process from artists suing over their work being stolen. Legal discovery could compel that kind of data audit.