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[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Im Icelandic and I can confirm this. This massive asshole (Kristjan Loftson) has plenty of money and one hobby, killing whales. He as lost aprox. 20m€ on whaling in the years he has been hunting them.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

...kill him?

I mean, or watch hundreds, thousands of whales die.

Just one dude, man. I dunno, not Icelandic so it isn't really an opportunity I'd have but, um. If all else fails, right?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

He will probably kill 10-20 finback whales so we are not talking about very large numbers. Also it would not be good for Icelandic politics if someone would kill him, he could become somekind if whale killer martyr and Iceland would continue to kill whales after his death.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

he could become somekind if whale killer martyr

Well that's just as easily solved by more killing. There can't be more than like 20 people in the country that have a massive boner for murdering whales.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

The killing will continue until morale improves

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

The rise of far right politicians and fascists is directly related to the dramatic drop in assassinations of political figures.

The solution? Start murdering fascist and far right politicians that exploit the working class and the environment to add to their already endless coffers. This is the only viable answer.

Change my mind.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would it be more whales? Less?

There's a minimum whale population before genetic defects start having impact between mates..

I'm not advocating direct violence, but mixing sand into the hunting boat's engine oil and other more peaceful methods should be considered if the government won't listen to reason by its people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

let the whales decide his fate

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then you kill the next figurehead for whaling. Eventually, they'll get the point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Whatw as that expression again.. "an eye for an eye... Is a really great idea"?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Killing evil people is a time-honored tradition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

One that seems to have fallen out of favor the last few decades with these ultra rich fascist assholes being more prominent all over the globe the last decade or two

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then who will kill the people who became evil by murdering?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Killing someone is not inherently evil.

See also tolerance paradox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless you subscribe to any one of most of the worlds' belief systems. Or unless your parents did and some of it sort of rubbed off on you. Or if you think law and order is important. But outside of that, yeah, of course, killing is completely neutral moral gray area. /s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Virtually all legal systems make allowances for killing someone in self-defense.

And you could probably fill a library with all the written works on the ethics of killing.

But yeah, sure, let's just pretend that it's completely self-evident that killing is always wrong.

Who said it's morally neutral?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"killing isn't inherently wrong"

I don't care to argue anymore semantics. You get what I'm saying and I get you. I just think that killing feels wrong for good reason, and that's a very popular opinion. Stop acting like it's a silly one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Killing is wrong in general, but can be justified by circumstances.

It is never neutral. Only ever unacceptable or justified.

E.g. killing billions by making the world uninhabitable is unacceptable, whereas smashing an oil execs face in with a baseball bat is obviously justified.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then you would have no qualms explaining that to their 4 year old daughter who watched you do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why would I force a child to watch violence? You're a very strange person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It's needlessly cruel

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm sure we can find volunteers willing to kill themselves once they're done with the killing. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Then someone should kill them for their stupidity. Cancer doesn't go away unless you cut it all out.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If he's doing this for profit, there has to be a consumer... Who are the consumers and what are they buying?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sadly, there is whale meat in our supermarkets and restaurants. The only reason they can sell it is because some of the whale is "necessary" for "research", and the meat is a "byproduct".

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What kind of research necessitates killing whales??

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

Research of the taste of whale meat

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Why are you government or judges so shady when it comes to this? Like, what is the actual reasson, that this is not forbidden and nobody is in jail? You have a democracy in iceland, right?