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I feel like the Steam Deck is the best proof of Gabe Newell's quote that "piracy is a service issue." (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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They could have easily crammed the Steam Deck full of stuff to make it hard to use for piracy - locking down everything, making it usable only to play games you legitimately own, force you to go through who knows what hoops in order to play games on it. That's what Nintendo or Apple or most other companies do.

But they didn't, because they realized they didn't have to. It's 100% possible to put pirated games on the Steam Deck - in fact, it's as easy as it could reasonably be. You copy it over, you wire it up to Steam, if it's a non-Linux game you set it up with Proton or whatever else you want to use to run it, bam. You can now run it in Steam just as easily as a normal Steam game (usually.) If you want something similar to cloud saves you can even set up SyncThing for that.

But all of that is a lot of work, and after all that you still don't have automatic updates, and some games won't run this way for one reason or another even though they'll run if you own them (usually, I assume, because of Steam Deck specific tweaks or install stuff that are only used when you're running them on the Deck via the normal method.) Some of this you can work around but it's even more hoops.

Whereas if you own a game it's just push a button and play. They made legitimately owning a game more convenient than piracy, and they did it without relying on DRM or anything that restricts or annoys legitimate users at all - even if a game has a DRM-free GOG version, owning it on Steam will still make it easier to play on the Steam Deck.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Can you play "Windows only" Steam games on Linux?

Probably a stupid question, sorry.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Super broad generalization, yes.

That's one of the biggest things valve has contributed to for the Linux community, unshitifying gaming on Linux. Proton does an amazingly good job at working on most games. And steam does a great job of making it easier to use proton.

Now there are always a few problem games, mainly ones that use some crazy kernel level anti-cheat (that doesn't work anyways). But if you're curious look at https://www.protondb.com/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Not a dumb question if you haven't been keeping up.

The Steam Deck runs Linux and not Windows by default. (It can be loaded by the user if desired.)

Given their desire for a nearly-console-like experience, they put in a bunch of effort into the Proton compatibility layer to get Windows games to work here. It's not perfect, but it really is a very good experience at this point.

I personally do have a fairly powerful Windows desktop, but the vast majority of my gaming is on Linux on my Steam Deck now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, so like everyone else has said, generally yes. There are occasionally issues, but the only issues I've had so far (that see actually issues with the game running and not anti-cheat that just blocks Linux) have been solved by fixes I found on ProtonDB.

Apparently, on average, games actually run even better on Linux. This is due to the combination of a less bloated OS, but also because proton is translating DirectX into Vulkan, and doing it a smart way such that it's actually more efficient usually. So far, it's only GamePass and those few multiplayer games that have fallen short.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you happen to know how well this works for old Windows games? We're talking about random indie things that run in little windows and are native to like Win98. A good lotta old doujin games are like this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I tried Commandos (released in 1998) the other day. It worked nearly flawlessly. I still needed to set my bottle (application for running wine/proton with presets) to run in an older version of Windows compatibility mode I think, but you need to do that in Windows probably too.

(You do need a fan patch to make it run at modern resolutions, but that's not required, and it's needed for windows too.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, seems like this is really might be getting to a point where non-viable instances are the exception rather than the rule. At least, I hope that's the case these days.

I'm too busy to switch to Linux at the moment but if I have to it's definitely an option I'm making back-burner plans for.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I did the same thing as you until a few months ago. I had used Linux many years ago, but never fully switched, so I wasn't too worried. Windows has been frustrating me for years now, and one day the search bar showed back up even though I've told it many times to not have it. At that point I decided I was done using an operating system that didn't listen to me and I switched over. It's been an amazing experience. There's only one game that hasn't worked for me so far. I don't remember the name, but it was a beta for a BR style game, and it was only because the anti-cheat hadn't been updated to accept Linux, not because it didn't run.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

one day the search bar showed back up even though I’ve told it many times to not have it.

This sort of behavior (and other nastier things, such as introducing advertising for Microsoft services) is why I don't trust Windows Updates and am increasingly distrustful of Windows being a satisfactory operating system.

Also I'd like it to be less bloated. Sure, fancy bells and whistles are nice to look at, but if I could make things look like Win98 again I totally would. I don't actually need things like transparency or 3D rotation/resizing effects.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yes, because of Proton, which is a version of Wine optimized for Steam games. Some games have official compatibility. For the rest, you have to tick a box saying to use Proton even if it hasn't been tested, and 90% of them just work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can play most of them with proton, but some multiplayer games are impossible because anti cheats not supporting linux.

You can check your games at protondb if they run well, or have instructions how to run them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Thanks, this is exactly what I need.

edit: aww, my favorite racing game Dirt Rally 2.0 is not supported, windows only. But Dirt Rally (1) is supported by all 3 OS: windows, mac, and linux, plus support for VR. So somehow the sequel is worse. Is it just a case of lazy devs?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The average playerbase of linux is still under like 2% so its understandable if they stop supporting it.

Also checked on protondb, and looks like runs great if you enable proton-ge, so you might still want to give it a chance