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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Honestly?

Not my monkeys, not my circus.

I don't care what YouTube wants to do or how they do it, they need viewers and if they can't figure out how to keep em, ah well. They gotta create a service that caters to my behavior, not the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s a flippant response when you were asked specifically to pretend they were your monkeys.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Well, actually, they have to create a service that caters to people who bring them revenue. If that isn't you, they don't have to, and actively shouldn't, cater to you at all.

You're just saying "I don't have an actual answer" in a roundabout way.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Well, I don't, but it isn't my problem.

Google makes enough money as is, I don't really care if the make poor decisions and end up with an unviable business model. I'll do other things with my time.

I don't really care about Google's wellbeing. I pay directly to the content creators I like and I hate seeing ads anywhere in my life and I'm willing to put in time and effort to make sure I see as few as possible.

If they say that the marketing data they scrape from user activity isn't enough for em, well, sucks to suck I guess.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For someone who doesn't care and has no viable responses to the questions here, you sure do have a lot to say.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

It's true, I'm very passionate about never viewing any advertisements!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The reason I don't bring them revenue is because they continue to make the experience worse. Paying isn't going to make that stop, it's just going to temporarily shift the bar a little; the bar is however still moving towards a shittier experience for all.

Why would I look at this and go "Yes, I'll pay!" There are a lot of services I would genuinely pay for if I didn't have an impending dread that the service is just about to get worse again regardless of if I pay or not. It's not like paying is a magic bullet, either, it comes with a ton of different issues like privacy. They still sell your soul to advertisers if you pay them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ultimately, they have no obligation to provide you something of value for free, and given that you do apparently use YouTube, they are objectively providing you something of value. They're completely within their rights to not do that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I'll gloss over that you either missed my point or ignored it; I don't use YouTube because it's too shit, actually.

I don't pay for any Google services, not that I'm using any with any consistency anymore, for the same reason that I don't use them anymore. Google cannot be trusted to provide a good service, paying costumer or not. If you punish me for using the free product, why would I ever trust you? Steam doesn't slap me across the face at every chance it gets when I don't spend money on their store for a long period of time, yet I have no issue paying for the games I do want to play despite piracy being completely risk-free by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That goes both ways. I can stop providing youtube with free content.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

If you aren't getting paid for your content, they'd probably be glad to not have to host it anymore. Anyone with content where it's worth them hosting it is getting paid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I paid for Lynda.com, and it could have easily taken in more business if YouTube wasn't working so hard for Google ads. There are a lot of paid (and free) services that suffer because of YouTubes ad-money business model.

Netflix could use the extra business. There are plenty of services failing to thrive while YouTube exists. Peertube would be wide open if YouTube went the way of most of Google's stable of apps. PeerTube is wide open even if YouTube doesn't go away anyway.

People genuinely hate ads. It's a high degree of enshitification. YouTube could divide into paid content and free content in a simple Freemium model.

Or, add third tier with ads, which any user can opt out of in the same way contributers can. I'd be happy to click subscribe on an ad free experience with less content available to me.

Or, add an option for a couple of free tier items per month, week, or day. Like Medium's business model.

It's not hard to stop sucking!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

well its not my problem