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let's talk about public roads. you obviously think of yourself as a non-threatening driver, but can you say that nobody will abuse the ability to go 95 through a red light? better limit all cars to 30.
the argument you are using is treating an entire group of people like they are criminals just by existing. innocent until proven guilty.
Why would anyone have an issue what other people self-identify as? My name is Todd, but I'd like you to call me Steve. Does this impact your day?
No it doesn't, just curious. I could see a scenario where they want no segregation based on sex/gender/race/age/etc.. since anyone can identify as they want.
So to stop the possibility that someone would sneak into a different bathroom to peek at someone's genitals, you suggest we have people checking peoples genitals to even enter the room?
That takes a hypothetical problem and guarantees it.
I hate to laugh but you are right, that does seem to be happening. I just cant rationalize an answer that appeases everyone.
I just also feel that both side seems to be strawman'ing the other, so a discussion seems somewhat ridiculous every single time with no one agreeing on anything.
On the basis that one person may or may not abuse the situation all trans people deserve to be accused and/or treated as second class citizens? There are current real world incidences of cisgender women getting harrased and assaulted in these very "safe zones" under the guise of protecting cisgender women.
The exclusion of trans women from these spaces creates a culture where some people are on the lookout for those who "don't belong", and this is leading to women who don't fit visual/societal definitions of feminity and womanhood to getting singled out and harrased in these very spaces.
Trans women are not "the other gender" as you put it, they are women; trans men are men. Bad actors who want to assault women or vulnerable people will do that any way they see fit, their gender identity is irrelevant. Being inclusive to trans people does not eliminate safe spaces, they are also deserving of being protected.
It feels like an incredibly large amount of work, and we don’t really see gay people and lesbians making an issue out of change rooms.