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so brave and yet so true (slrpnk.net)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Do you think that the entire 70 grand is going towards that? Do you consider the occupation of the property to be valued at 0?

Taking your scenario, do the math

What is the cost for your to buy or mortgage the property and the difference of the rent.

That's where the value difference is. The maintenance is different than the cost to live there. I'm not arguing on fair pricing. But the maintenance side is not the entirety of your rent payment. Its also not the only value.

So you should look at it more like - what's the value proposition of being able to leave whenever I want, maintenance, etc, vs owning the property.

Either way you are spending a large sum of cash, it's not a scenario where if you had bought instead of renting you get all 70 grand back.

I think it's also disingenuous to exclude scenarios that occur outside of your renting scenario. Critical maintenance like utilities, HVAC, and structure usually aren't done while a tenant is living in the unit (unless there is a specific issue) but the cost is still there. As well vacancy, which is a premium a renter pays for high availability of properties. You can argue that certain costs should or shouldn't be swallowed, but it doesn't change the fact that they are there. A prime benefit to renting is that you can leave whenever, that isn't a physical value, but it exists (you can even break your lease or rent month to month in many cases) try leaving when you are upside down in your house by 100 grand and you got laid off from work. You are absolutely stuck. Maybe you short sell and completely tank your credit, maybe you just eat the cost and ruin your life savings, but unless you can sell your property (which has tons of costs associated with it) then you are SOL.

Slum lords exist yes, but that's not an intrinsic property of the value proposition at play.

It's not 70k for the person to change a lightbulb, it's x dollars to occupy the space, and y dollars to remove your responsibility. The $1500 you are paying is some combination of that. Similar to insurance, you pay a premium to remove a liability, the same applies to renting. I'm not arguing that pricing is fair and just. Just that, the idea of short term rentals have value.