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In regard to Hyprland and Fascism (drewdevault.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Like y'all keep posting about it, praising it, giving it free advertisement, and what not.

But the dev is a fascist, the discord server is a fascist bar, and the project thus is fascist.

I've met people who were harassed, I browsed through now deleted messages of Vaxry using slurrs and more.

So I wonder is if the people who post constantly about it know and are complicit, or just don't know and would act otherwise?

It gets tiring to see the project be given "fame" when I know the roots of the plants are founded in toxicity & abuse.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely this. Too many people think that because you use some open source software from some fascist dev that "obviously you're fascist, too".

Bigotry: obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Hating on Hyprland users that know what's going on but still really like the software fits this definition. Plus, isn't the biggest kick in the face having the exact people you hate use and enjoy your software?

This is exactly why I switched from PolyMC to Prism Launcher. The PolyMC dev was a fascist prick and an anti-gay/trans activist. His fear was that PolyMC was "going to get taken over by the gays due to the name having Poly in it (as in polysexual)", so he started banning all the devs who disagreed with him or even made a joke about it.

Those devs forked the project and, to rub salt in the wound, made the icon rainbow. But guess what? Its the same software. They forked it because they still liked it and wanted to use it. The software itself had absolutely nothing to do with the dev.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I got the impression that the PolyMC situation was quite different, with that developer masking it and doing a minority of the work, but after one change made by the rest of the developers they snapped, used their control over the repository to remove the rest of the maintainers and take sole control over the repository.

I was aware of some shenanigans and hostility from PolyMC and never used it, but I got the impression there were no major outward signs before that happened?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

There really wasn't a lot of ramp up to it but there were Discord screenshots of his toxic personality being put down in r/feedthebeast at the time and (iirc) one of the devs that actually did do work on the project quoted the whole "poly" thing. Dunno if there was a screen of it, though.

But even before that, there was apparently some horrible stuff that MultiMC did that resulted in PolyMC and other forks in the first place. That whole application has a shady past, tbh.

I'm just trying to say, use Hyprland if you like Hyprland. There WILL be a fork of it someday. That is always guaranteed to happen when a dev becomes a piece of shit. Its all about when it is going to happen, but by all means move over to the fork when it does.

As long as its open source and money does not change hands, you are in no way directly supporting a fascist dev. Once that software is on your PC that software is yours to do what you want with it, not the dev's. By all means, design your Hyprland as pro-trans with trans flag colors. I endorse that wholeheartedly, in fact. 🏳️‍⚧️

I just don't like when people get auto-labeled for something they use or do. Its basic stereotyping and it drives me nuts. A lot of people just don't want to give the benefit of the doubt to others before even getting to know them. Getting branded because of a piece of software you enjoy is just... its up there, at any rate. I really can't put words to how frustrated it makes me. I don't even use Hyprland (I did try it, though). I run KDE because I'm a dirty mouse user. I'm much too smoothbrain for a tiling WM.