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The why is rarely argued. The how is always the point of contention. That's why I am wondering what they are asking for age verification.
Sure would be convenient if the US came up with some way to electronically verify IDs...
I don't understand what you mean. They're clearly requesting ages over 13 and disabling purchases for those under 16.
I am asking how will they verify the age?
EDIT: I think you might be misunderstanding the grammar. I am not asking "what for". "What for" = "why". I am asking "what do they want as a form of age verification".
Yeah, if the end consequence is creating a giant database of photos of US ID's (and storing which accounts theyre associated with as a nice bonus) then that is, in my opinion, not great.
I understand Discord is already rolling out ID verification in the UK and their solution is to use a 3rd party service (you send them your, they just send discord a "is over 18? YES/NO). Personally I don't think thats much better but it won't be Discord's own liability when they find out call center employees in India or Vietnam are using the images of your ID to sell online or something.
"Which method will they use" is a valid question.
But the adults, they weren't deceived in any way. Hoyo scammed them fair and square.
Ban the entire business model.
No laws against that (lootboxing), yet, and I doubt EA doesn't have their lobbyists against such laws if enacted. It's also something that has existed so long as to become a cornerstone of mobile gaming... well, a cornerstone outside of the stupid Voodoo dot-io kind, anyways. While extremely unethical IMO I wouldn't call it any more deceptive than any regular casino, that is.
I don't understand. For spending money one requires banking/card information. How children will get their guardian's banking details without their consent?
Have you paid for things on mobile in-app? The operating system stores your info behind a password (or biometric) because adults (non-gambling as well) also hate having to memorize 16 digits flawlessly every time they needed to make payments.
Why would parents' payment info be stored in child's device or user account?
Not everyone buys a separate device for their children or knows how to/can set up a user account.
Then why tf a game is responsible for their monetory loss? Children are susceptible to many more scams. And on top of that taking such privacy invasive 'measure' to solve it doesn't make sense either. Children can even upload patent's ids if parents are so careless anyway.
Regardless of who's responsible, children should not be gambling. Why is everyone magnifying "responsibility"? Scamming children is illegal and having them gamble is/should also be illegal. I'll also link you https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/14325340.
Scamming children is illegal. Solution isn't banning children or requiring id to compromise others' privacy too (who for example play without gambling). This whole thing is bs.
Again, this is gambling, and gambling is not scamming. What else do you propose to fix providing gambling services to children?
No. Everyone Gen X and Y that I know of have passports in a cabinet and IDs in a wallet.
Ignorance is not an excuse for bad parenting.
Damn, got 'em. Actually, they deserve to lose $16,000 while raising a gambling addict because they didn't pull up their bootstraps and micromanage everything their preteen does in "that colorful game they play."
Mate, asking under-13s to get parent permission is provoking that good parenting you seem to care about anyway—what on earth is the problem?
Parental controls (or just not inputting card details into a phone the child has access to) is a fairly effective way to prevent the child spending the parent's money without then knowing. Micromanagement is not typically considered good parenting; however showing interest in, and having some knowledge of, what your child spends significant time doing is.
Do you have children and have you had to use parental controls for some games? The controls largely suck so much and just end up being a source of endless frustration. They are not what I would call effective.
Preventing purchases should (as far as I am aware, is) be an app store level setting on mobile devices. Parental controls should be better than they currently are, but ID requirements (or other PII) are not the solution.
Okay. So is requiring under-13s to ask their parents. I don't see what the issue is.
the issue is forcing everyone for giving up sensitive personal information.
Okay. So argue about that then. What does bad parenting have to do with it?
this law is the result of bad parenting. if parents would parent, nothing like this would be needed
criminals are the result of bad rearing. if people weren't poor and parents would parents, no criminal laws would be needed
Wow. The world sucks then, doesn't it?
This comment is a parenting related issue, the technicality illiterate might forget to take the proper precautions when letting their child use their phone and blame the game instead of taking responsibility for their actions.
No, you're making it one to sidestep an issue.
If this bad parenting happens often enough to be a real problem, then whining into the wind that "no one has any common sense anymore," or whatever you're doing, isn't a solution.
I do blame the game a little because it's a game that really, really, really wants you to spend money on diamond gem funbucks.
Let me ask you this question, hm? You don't want to show your ID even though we all do that for alcohol—fine. Why not: $80 up front, all banners are periodic DLCs, some of them free, there is more than enough korok seeds in game to get all of them, and they never expire—infinite time to twiddle your thumbs before completing them. Would this not solve your ID problem?
That is, unless you would like to spearhead this global movement to teach underprivileged parents how to configure their phones?
of course thats not a solution. but what can you do? lawmakers wont make laws that make the parents responsible for their negligence. sometimes it's not even intentional negligence, but that they don't even know what should they do, and how can that be done
that's fair, I do too. I also blame all the commercial social networks, if I can call them that way
just let me remind you that that happens offline, and it is provable if copies are not preserved. normally you just show it and that's it.
if someone cannot properly configure their phones, then they need to be made liable for the consequences their negligence causes.
You elect lawmakers.
Fascinating.
So, this is exactly the problem I have with you and the other person. It's this contempt you have for your fellow people. It's extremely selfish. This isn't how you talk to your neighbors. You're not getting invited to any cookouts or block parties with this attitude.
If you and I can agree that children shouldn't be in casinos, then they shouldn't be allowed into the casino. I am open to your suggestions.
I've refused to move my payment from password to biometrics purely because I'll spend more if I don't have to type out my 22 character password. A few times I've gone to buy something and seen the password field pop up and just like.. uhh cbf.
And then saved like $30.
I usually put limit on accounts or cards saved on device for everyday usage. I did the same for others in family too. Thanks to this my aunt lost only $25 when she got tech support scammed.
Some ancient internet slang you've got there.
absorbs
You've made me reread my comment multiple times and I still don't know what the ancient slang is. God I'm not even 30 and I'm already being made feel old lmao
well i can't be fucked to point it out!
Didn't know that was ancient, I see it used a lot among... I guess other almost 30 year olds.
ie elderly people.
“Almost 30 year olds” aka “20somethings” is elderly now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirtysomething
Rare US W ?