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[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends, most poor people doesn't live in city center but at its border. So they use lot cars or rer.

The rental price is crazy high there.

They need to divide rent price and create more public transport to connect the outside city to its center. So it's a very difficult project, so urban planner sketched ideas to decentralize paris from its center.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Nah. Only 4% of the trips of people inside Paris are made by car. If people inside Paris can do it, then so can people from outside Paris. Leave your car outside of the city and use the methods of transport that 96% of Parisians use. There is no right to car travel.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

They may need to invest in dedicated transit stations and parking garages to accomplish this but IMO thats worth it to keep less cars within the city.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

My main point was the living cost. I lived in Paris center in 8m2 for 400€. And paid the navigo pass around 70€ or even more.

If you want to plan an ecological city, you don't only need to reduce cars but create affordable public transport that connect city border to its center. And the article explain badly the challenge.

Ecological planification can't bypass social and economy. I was just arguing that you can't do an ecological city if you don't reduce rent in Paris's center.

The problem Paris face is its "gentrification"

The city center is the most expensive one compared to living in rural area with a garden and few basic shop. And everything is less expensive outside Paris.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 22 hours ago

Yeah i see what you mean. That is a real problem and sadly most cities do exactly the wrong things to deal with it.