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There are people here seeking asylum for threats of gang violence against them. Depriving someone of their safe refuge is depriving someone of liberty. Do you think those people should be sent back to their countries?
Well it doesn’t matter what you think because that already happened.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal, and those with a pending petition are not considered illegal immigrants. Until a decision is made, they have temporary protected status.
Crossing the border without permission OTH IS illegal and subject to deportation. It’s not that difficult.
You realize part of seeking asylum also can involve crossing the border without permission and is codified in law?
How many of those deported by Trump did have a pending petition for asylum?
I'm assuming you are conveniently ignoring Trump's executive orders that severely limited options for seeking asylum and instead are asking people to search innumerable records to distract from the inhumanity of your position?
Can't deport asylum seekers if seeking asylum is illegal after all.
May those who find themselves with the power to judge your fate have the mercy and compassion you so clearly lack.
You didn't answer my question.
187,420 and counting. Did the inhumanity of your view change now that you have a number?
Source?
https://www.uscis.gov/records/genealogy/genealogy-notebook/researching-deportation-records
Though you will have to submit a request to get the records. Shouldn't take too long.
You didn't answer my question btw...
How am I supposed to answer your question without having verified your claim first?
Because the number is immaterial to the question at hand. It could be 1, or 100, or 1 million. It doesn't change the fact that trying to argue semantics over human rights is inherently inhumane. Nor does it change the fact that these are not just numbers on a spreadsheet.
But frankly, I know you know that. There was never any real value to you asking people for it.
The fact that you ignored my point about Trump's removal of legitimate ways to seek asylum, which undermines the validity of any dataset that could answer your question, is proof enough that you were never asking in good faith. Or do you reckon it was a coincidence that you didn't want a source for that bit?
Most of those deported were members of well-known criminal gangs renowned for their brutality and penchant for murder. Do you care about any of their victims? If not, don't come to me with a sob story about human rights.
Source?
Just kidding, you couldn't prove that claim even if you wanted too...
Of course I care about the victims of gang violence. Only a monster wouldn't. But many of the asylum seekers who's rights are being deprived are trying to escape gang violence, and are instead being sent right back to it. Many of those being deported are not gang members, but innocent people who lived in the US their whole lives and are being sent to countries or prisons where they will be subjected to gang violence.
Only when it's convenient for your point do you bother to suddenly discover your compassion. What a great way to play with an appeal to emotion to justify dismissing the right to due process.
Here is the difference between you and me, I believe even gang members deserve their day in court. That we should all try our best to ensure the innocent are protected.
We can't do that by just deporting people without due process. We will drop balls we could have caught, mistakenly send innocent people to jails they don't belong in, to countries where they will be subjected to violence.
If they are guilty of gang violence, then let them suffer the consequences of their actions. But don't let the government just throw out a "trust me bro, they were illegal gang members frfr".
Civil rights have to be for everyone, or they can be taken away from anyone.
Well, if you're such a strong believer in due process, what do you think about Biden letting all of these people in without following the proper immigration procedures? Who do you think is more likely to enter the country illegally, honest people or those who are already criminals?
Source?
Again, you know you can't back up these claims.
And I believe that most people who "enter illegally" are those who can not obtain the resources to do so through official channels. Full stop.
And given that the Justice Department reports that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than citizens on average , the data supports the belief that illegal immigrants are more likely to only commit the crime of crossing illegally. Which begs the question if we should allow an easier and more supported path for these otherwise innocent and impoverished people to come into the country legally.
But we have veered very far into your feelings at this point (which sadly the facts don't care about), and you keep making unsupported claims to emotion, so it's probably time for you to go to bed. Eh champ? There will still be human rights for you to violate in the morning.
edit: It's cute you dropped the victims of gang violence point when you realized your points would lead to more gang violence. It's tough being you huh?
I appreciate your optimism.
Dozens so far, apparently: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-deported-238-venezuelans-el-salvador-dozens-have-active-asylum-cases-2025-04-01/
This doesn't include the random hair dresser or the guy who they admit shouldn't have been deported at all and wasn't illegal but won't get him back anyway
So, about 10% then
Shockingly incompetent and.bad, a violation of human rights, and something the ICC may eventually arrest him over. It's indefinite slavery in El Salvador and possible organ trafficking. It's literal concentration camps for the indigenous people who were here in this land thousands of years before the rest of us. It's bad, and I curse you to be treated exactly how they are treated. May their fate be tied to yours. Better get to work freeing them so it doesn't happen to you.
Out of 238 deportees, 27 have claimed to have a pending asylum petition. That's approx. 11.35%, so I'm not that far off.
And I will say that that if their petitions are granted, I hope they'll will be released from prison and re-admitted into the US, preferably with some sort of recompensation for unjust treatment. The rest of them can stay where they are.
Whatever, it's your curse. It's intrinsically tied to all of them and you. If it's not enough for the curse, you'll suffer their fate
Sure until they decide you no longer have your temporary protected status. It doesn't even matter if you're a citizen, you have an autism awareness tattoo? Have fun in El Salvador
A petition for asylum does not HAVE to be accepted. Once it's been denied, you do indeed lose your status, and you're generally expected to leave the country.
But tell me, please, how many of those who have been deported by Trump had a pending petition for asylum that was ignored?