this post was submitted on 14 Nov 2023
263 points (97.5% liked)
World News
32297 readers
658 users here now
News from around the world!
Rules:
-
Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc
-
No NSFW content
-
No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
But you need to think like this: Terrorist attack in 9/11: 3000 deaths Terrorist attack hamas: 1300 deaths
Antiterrorist attack 9/11: ~180.000 deaths Antiterrorist attack Israel: 11.000 deaths
So its still 5% of the deaths of 9/11 dont play down the human rights violations of the US because of 9/11...
But Israel claimed that the Hamas attacks were equal to 9/11 or even Pearl Habor in scale measured by the country's population. Biden even claimed that it was equal to fifteen 9/11s. So I think it's totally fair and appropriate to apply the same rules and scale the death toll of the invasion by the population of the Gaza Strip.
America retaliated to 9/11 by killing 200,000 Iraqis So Iraq had population 0.5% of its population killed (for something it had no responsibility for). So Israel needs to kill 0.5% of Gaza.... which is around 4000 people. I guess 15 9/11 mean 15*4000=60,000
Dont forget the afgahns... Another 160.000
Right, so Israel already killed almost 3 times as many Palestinians in retaliation as the US killed in Iraq.
3 9/11s down, 12 more to go.
No, that's measuring in 9/11 retaliations.
It's called onboarding and aims to garner public support by ripping open old scars. Just like the decapitated babies claim to dehumanize the enemy.
Okay, but does that invalidate my calculation?
The calculation was invalid to begin with. It's like asking how many apples this orange was.
I do understand you replied to a satirical question with a satirical analysis, but still. I'm not a fun person, so stop having fun.
I'm sorry you don't like having fun. Must be rough.
Yeah, I feel sorry for myself every waking second.
Those numbers are useless without a scale of time.
Does it make it better that the US killed hundred of thousands in 20 years, than when killed in 2 years?
Killed civillians are killed civillians, in a matter of 20 years or 2 this is irrelevant.
What? Yes! Othwrwise you are comparing apples to oranges.
The US killed 20-30 times more in Irak and Afgahnistan. And I would say that 20 years of war is another horrifying factor.
If you look at the rate than /month israel killed more.
But even if you look /year the 9/11 war with 20,000-30,000 deaths ist still much more compared to 11,000 this year from israel...
This year. It started in October. Using your numbers, they have done half a years worth of murder in about 12th of the time, even with the USA drone striking weddings. Ones horrific, the other is a genocide.
This all started last month, not in January, we don't know what the per year murder rate is but we can assume it would be around 132,000 if Israel continues the way they are currently.
Yeah, you could assume, there you are right. But it still didnt happen, I hope they will stop any second, but thats just wishful thinking.
But just to see what the US did..
Israel could go on for almost 3 years like this and would have the same death toll then the US because of 9/11.
And thats sick. What the US did is sick, same as what Israel is doing now.
Yum, yes duh. A higher rate of death over 20 years is much different then a single month.
So you say 200,000-300,000 deaths in 20 years is better that 11,000 in one month?
Wtf?
I really dont fucking know how americans can justify bullshit like this.
Its 20,000-30,000 dead people a year, I know its not like 11,000 in a month, but I really hope that israel is going to stop soon.
Do math. 200000÷20=10000 a year 833.3 repeating.
300000÷30= 15000 a year or 1250 a month
It is objective better.
Your high of you think 10000 a month is better than 10000 a year.
I never said better. Its fucked up compared to really fucked up.
You keep justifying the USs shit to feel better? The same thing are the Israelis doing probably.
Nobody wants to be the Genocide maker.
Keep on living your life, thinking that the US killing civillians is somehow better than Israel killing civillians.
I did the math, few comments above.
When Israel goes on like this they will have 130,000 deaths per year, so they could go on for 3 years and be up with the same numbers as the US after 9/11.
Its just faster, and would be horrible. So I just hope the killing will end soon, and that you see then how fucked up the US strategy after 9/11 was. Israel uses the same argument as the US.
Survey says:?
I didn't say either was morally correct but one is clearly statistically worse as a matter of casualties. Why you think that's attempting justifying either is beyond me and perhaps something you aught to reflect on personally.
Correct.
I never said anything about it's morality but causing a years worth of deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq in a single month with the vast majority being non combatants and over a third being non military aged children.
Perhaps you did, I didn't see it but you certainly haven't reflected on it if you think your argument is sound.
That would be more deaths bud.
Oh "it's just faster" gotcha. Industrialized murder is somehow more ethically sound to you, gotcha.
Its faster, the (still, and hopefully fictional) scenario where Israel continues at tbe same killrate.
Wikipedia says 180,000 in afgahnistan and around 150,000-200,000 in Irak
I dont know why we have this discussion, but both is horrible and there is no justification of killing civillians at any rate.
I used the numbers you provided, if they're wrong it's because you were wrong and similarly a shaker number over a longer period provides more support for my argument not less as you imply.
No one is denying both are horrible. You're the only one who's claimed I've taken a stance on it at all.