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Don't shoot me, for I'm only a messenger As a rule in life, if you can blame everything on everyone around you it's time to look inwards for change. I'm just saying, maybe it's not all of us, maybe it's you? My first reaction to reading your post was to suggest a therapist. And I'm saying that as somebody who isn't great at social interactions either.
We lionize medical professionals as these infallible gods in lab coats. They're only human too, although they would not admit that. It's good to keep that in mind; alter your perception to work with them on you rather than you being fully serviced by them.
I’m hesitant to respond to any of these messages but I will to this one. And yes I fully understand what you mean in the first part. And I have looked into myself. Don’t extensive work beyond anything most people do. Though the main issue comes where my ideas are so beyond what most people can accept or think is true. Making me feel incredibly isolated and I believe you could understand. Eventually it’s better to just stop communicating online? I wouldn’t mind getting a therapist if I can even afford it.
I got to this point by the time. I went to see about a medical problem today but realize. They don’t even do physical exams or anything to see if anything I say has merit. They instead look and put a certain label on it without evaluating it. Then when I go to ask individuals online. It seems they can’t consider it. Can’t even interact even if skeptical. And most my post seem to get so much more hate than even skeptical interactions.
My idea of doctors is an equal partner. I can research things suggest things and they help cross those things out.
Do you have a medical degree? Why do you think you know more than people who studied the topic for years?
Don't get started about doctors being competent because they got themselves a degree.
Obviously someone who hasn't studied knows less than someone who got a medical degree. But a medical degree is the absolute minimum, the base knowledge. Current research goes way beyond anything a medical degree can teach, and quite obviously so. Medical knowledge is vast, no one is or will ever able to know all of it. Getting a degree gives you a base, a knowledge about the most common ailments, theoretically the ability to get more knowledge if necessary, the ability to assess which new knowledge is useful, and so on. But unless you are specifically well-read in a particular topic, even a doctor with a medical degree is unlikely to know the full picture about a particular ailment.
And even if someone is well-read in a particular topic, human medical knowledge is still incredibly bad, there's so many things we just don't know. Even with perfect, up-to-date knowledge on a topic, it's easily possible to have no explanation or no solution.
So doctors, just like any other humans, go around acting all knowledgeable, and yes, they are more knowledgeable than others. And yes, for common ailments, that have been well-studied, and that they have done additional reading about, they may give good advice. But all doctors are also fallible, they're all prone to normal human mental biases, like confirmation bias and so on. And they work in a deeply flawed system, completely overworked, too many patients, too little time per patient, and so on.
So it's very likely all this medical degree, all this knowledge in a doctor's head is entirely useless for the current situation. You may go to a doctor, and they might not have read the current literature on the ailment you have. They may not identify the ailment you have correctly because it's very similar to another one. They may not be very thorough, as they may have personal issues or just pressure in a terrible system.
And then someone comes to them with a little bit rarer thing. They slap a "common thing" label on them quickly because they pattern-match from their own incomplete knowledge. As a patient, you're left feeling like something is missing, and there likely is. It's very very simple to know more than doctors, research is mostly public, and no doctor has read all research, and you may just hit their specific knowledge gap. In total, they still know much more than you, but in this very specific ailment, you might suddenly know more than the doctor, at least partially, just because a doctor can never know everything.
And then you try to explain to them that there must be something more to it than they know, than they say, and what is the result? "Do you have a medical degree? No? Why do you assume you know more than me?" It's not an unreasonable argument, and patients are often exactly as stupid and filled with mental biases as doctors are.
But if a patient's needs are not met, if the "common thing" diagnosis does not satisfy them, if there are unexplained things left, this "I am the doctor, I have the degree" is utterly irrelevant, it is necessary to listen and to consider alternatives, and to also consider one's (the doctor's) knowledge might not be enough. It's necessary to be empathetic and take your time, something rarely done by doctors. It is necessary to explain. Necessary to work to come to a common ground. All not done by doctors, or any human, very often.
I guess what I'm saying is, if there is a question still in a patient's mind, then the doctor didn't do a very good job. And most doctors do a very bad job.
You do know docs need continuing learning throughout their career…. Right?
Also, as someone in healthcare (not a doc), your interpretation is… wild at best
I know doctors who get the same CE year after year after year, not because they want to stay up to date but because they want an easy way to keep their licensure. About 70% of my medical clients for that pattern.
Of course I know docs need continuous learning. But do they get all knowledge from that? Of course not. There are still gaps in their knowledge, and like I say, also gaps in scientific medical knowledge itself.
Which interpretation exactly? Can you elaborate please? I'm actually curious in what you think I'm wrong about.
No I don’t have a degree in medical but I have studied medical from Yale. I acknowledge that I am nowhere as knowledgeable as a doctor but if a doctor can’t cooperate and work with the patient why are they in that position. I’m not saying the things I bring up would be 100% correct. Though in the past I did this
Diagnosis hypothesis
Possible diagnosis 1#
Symptoms I know I have
Possible Diagnosis 2#
Symptoms I have
Possible Diagnosis as many as it takes
Symptoms I have
Then
My best guessed diagnosis
With symptoms making me consider
I look for them to help me work through these and see which are more likely than find the correct one if any are.
I wanted you to see this part, @[email protected]
Since in this instance. This is how I found out I had Bipolar and BPD. While it’s harder for medical specifically. It’s not impossible.
What did you study at Yale?
They have open coursework, lectures and more. I do understand it is not equal to going to Yale but for not being able to afford college. Yales free stuff is something I believe we all could argue is some of the most valuable experience beyond maybe Harvard’s stuff.
No from Yale which has much more nuance to it. At would mean I went to, from meaning from their course work.
This is a good approach imo, and if you truly didn't get the doctor you talked to to take you seriously and fully address your concerns, then they might be a lost cause. Some people are simply not capable.
What ideas exactly?
Well you’ve heard of E=Mc^2. The statement that allows for energy and matter to be interchangeable. Now let’s go to another topic. Have you heard. Magic is the manipulation of energy to alter your reality.
Now what happens when we connect both as one?
This is something I looked into to understand magic.
That’s one of them. The idea of even mentioning this. Makes them instantly assume I’m crazy even though my psychiatrist ruled delusions or psychosis out.
Another person you’ll see in here. Said I’m manifesting wings. Even though if they’ve actually read my post. They would understand that it’s not manifesting but just an induced adaption similar to evolution. Using E=MC^2 in magic. Which included rebuilding my back muscles and new bones in it, rebuilt spine, sternum, arms, kneecaps, fused ribs and extended. And much more.
They say there’s no obvious changes or any medical professional would jump at the chance to discover it. Though I’ve let my medical team know and without an exam on me they rule everything out. When all they had to do was feel for separation between my ribs. Then it opens up a completely new picture.
It certainly sounds like there's something missing in the doctor's knowledge, or in them explaining it to you. Doctors very often dismiss patients because they are also only human, and they work in a terrible system that encourages them to quickly get rid of patients.
So I fully encourage you to go back, or go to a different doctor, and get a fuller picture of the problem, make them explain, and get all your needs met.
However, your explanation is extremely far-fetched, you jump from different concepts that are not proven to be related to others. You also need to consider that you might be wrong, you can't only assume by default that the doctor is wrong. They have assimilated lots of medical knowledge which you have not, which doesn't mean they will have good knowledge about your particular situation.
But maybe they do have good knowledge about your particular situation. Maybe you just didn't understand them because you yourself are missing knowledge. It's their responsibility to help you understand, but it's also your responsibility to be open to gain a new understanding, which you don't seem to be. You seem to be very sure of your explanation, which you, at least from what I can see, you have no real reason to be sure, at least not more than the doctor.
It’s that they don’t explain to me or even try and see if there’s any merit in it. And yeah as you said. There is a system that encourages them to quickly get rid of patients.
I wouldn’t mind going back to a doctor and see but I don’t want to waste my time. It’s like how many times are they just going to ask a basic questionnaire and then dismiss me without trying to find out anything.
Lastly. While I can see why it seems incredibly far fetched the idea i mentioned. I don’t see how it wouldn’t make sense. I mean I will say there’s a big possibility I could be wrong in a certain manor but it is how I learned to understand it. And it seemingly worked very well. Though no one seems to be able to explain why it would be wrong or even be able to get anywhere that far without just labeling it mental illness or being non constructive.
The thing with doctors is, you have to do your own work to disrupt their standard way of working. It's actually really hard, but it's possible. You have to basically be persistent but very polite and understanding of them. You have to keep asking questions until you are either satisfied or are sure that they can't help you because they're too closed off. You can't let them dismiss you even when they try.
You have to basically make them think of you as a person rather than a patient. Doctors can be very empathetic and helpful when you manage to do this, because then they remember why they became doctors, because they want to help people. But it is work on your side to get them to this state, which is annoying and not always possible, so I can completely understand why you wouldn't want to "waste your time".
As for your idea, it does definitely make sense. The question I would personally pose would be more like, how does it help you? What do you actually want from the doctor? Do you want their understanding or do you want medical help in some way? What's your goal there?
Theoretically, if you want, you can just look for studies or other information on your particular situation. But usually, a doctor will be much better at this, because they have contextual knowledge or other kind of advantages that will help them find the correct studies more quickly, or interpret them more accurately. The hard part is getting them to do it. I had success with this by pointing out inconsistencies in the symptoms, by asking for explanations, by asking them where they got their information from.
I guess the most important thing I want from a doctor. Is to listen to me. Even if they doubt it. I would like help understanding what may all happen. Maybe help finding out where to get scans to help science. Like I don’t know whether only the upper and middle portions of my ribs are fused or fully. Beyond that like today. I went today to see about hydration and they pushed me quickly out of the door. Though I drank 33 fl ounces of pedialtye in 2-3 days and each day 4-5 water bottles and still wasn’t hydrated enough to feel comfortable.
The magic is doing the work, friend, not painting roses red.