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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Former Christian here, I'm still very partial to this verse:

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Wow that’s a banger, thank you for introducing me to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Jesus also didn't proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar's class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can you please expound upon that point, re: Jesus didn’t proclaim himself to be the literal son of God. Never heard that before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sure. So in Islam we believe that God and the creation are seperate. All Prophets (peace be upon them) are humans, who have been given prophethood for their virtuous character. Any powers outside the realm of human capacities were granted by God to aid their mission, but it wasn't their inherent powers.

For a longer read on this from an Islamic perspective i found this article: https://www.reviewofreligions.org/27744/jesus-son-of-god-historical-context-long-read/

As for the development of the Christian idea that Jesus would be the son of God. This is a Greek/Roman idea that was pushed to dominance around the fourth century. Notable is the Council of Nicae, where it was agreed that the concept of Trinity (with Jesus as son of God and some abstract holy spirit) should be the used. As for the reason why, it is likely that the Trinity was chosen to make Christianity more palatable to Polytheists, despite the rejection of polytheism and embrace of monotheism being fundamental to the Abrahamic religions. This is also why the concept is strongly rejected by Jews and Muslims. However also Nontrinitarian Christians exist to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Outcomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian#History

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That’s an interesting take. Having been raised Christian, but now mostly agnostic, it’s a view I had not heard before. Thanks for sharing this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I agree. I look at it this way…how many of those that claim to be Christian actually have Christian values or live by the Ten Commandments?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

...how many [...] actually have Christian values...

All of them, it's how you know what "Christian values" really are (not just the cleaned-up public-facing image they use for marketing) and it turns out they're pretty shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Many Christians have never read the Bible. They hear about eternal salvation so long as you dunk in some water and say you're sorry and they're sold. If they even consciously think about it in the first place.

Christianity is just another one of Plato's caves